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blackpowder's Avatar Apr 15, 2018 | 12:44 1 This news Just-in.
We don't need to worry about a thing. The taxpayers will be propping up Kinder Morgan.
Does no one else see how funny this is?
We prematurely strangle our economy to 'pay' for green tech.
We convince the public for generations a cornerstone industry is evil.
We tell everyone they deserve more benefits but waiting for healthcare or high student teacher ratios should be expected because "someone" isn't 'paying' enough.
Now we're telling international businesses we follow the banana republic game plan.
We don't really want you here and if we need to 'buy' votes, we'll just nationalize you or
give you enough money to hang around just for fun.

Me?, I'd just shut off all shipments of energy and cash to the R.O.C. forthwith.

Can our obviously highly learned colleagues on here explain how this works?
When I went to the University Of Reality, I was taught "If it pays, it stays".
The majority of the planets' hydrocarbon reserves are held by countries that obviously
haven't been to the same University as our Dear Leaders or the people who agree with them.

This is so damn funny you cant make it up.
Must be some new math the scientists have invented. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Apr 15, 2018 | 12:56 2 ......you just defined "hypocrisy".

I think it's a bit too early to say how this is going to unfold.

But yup, nothing enough paid ransom won't fix. Reply With Quote
blackpowder's Avatar Apr 15, 2018 | 13:20 3 But no one tells us how we're going to actually PAY for everything.
With real, newly generated, actual dollars. Reply With Quote
Apr 15, 2018 | 13:31 4 BP. I don't know the answers to this pipeline thing, but what if we shutoff oil, they shut off grain, potash, goods coming into port headed east, we come bask with ban on wine, fruit,vegies. I don't see any good results coming from any of this.
I don't know the economics of refining but if we are loosing $20 odd dollars a barrel and talking tax dollars going in to deal ,why can't we refine and spin finished products by rail/highway.
The oil cos just put up 10 cents on gas, that's over 1 mil$ /day in Alberta alone,so as I see it we do have the 7/ 15 billion to build refinery and look at the added taxes collected from those large wages,, clean oil is so much more acceptable than the raw crude.
How much would it cost to up the capacity of refinery at loydminsterd, or redwater?? Reply With Quote
Apr 15, 2018 | 14:01 5 This horse shit ends if we tell the feds we'll collect our own taxes and redistribute back to Ottawa like Quebec does instead of CRA giving it back to provinces after taking the cut. Reply With Quote
Apr 15, 2018 | 15:45 6 Refineries not being built because of the same environmental hurdles being faced as pipelines, in modern day Canada progress and making use of resources = bad, smoking weed and hugging trees = good. Reply With Quote
Apr 15, 2018 | 16:19 7 Interesting after notley announcing possible government investment Horgan is now interested in talking and forming some resolution. Can you say comrad!!!!. Reply With Quote
Apr 15, 2018 | 16:25 8 Trudeau is more worried about getting re-elected vs doing the right thing. 18 MP’s in BC and 4 in Alberta.
Today he put all taxpayers on the hook if this pipeline doesn’t proceed and has kicked the can down the road for actually having to make a decision and be a leader for a change.

His lack of leadership has caused this whole mess. The only positive thing is it appears the idea of a carbon tax is proving to be a farce and is dying a slow death. Reply With Quote
Apr 15, 2018 | 16:52 9
Quote Originally Posted by Oliver88 View Post
Trudeau is more worried about getting re-elected vs doing the right thing. 18 MP’s in BC and 4 in Alberta.
Today he put all taxpayers on the hook if this pipeline doesn’t proceed and has kicked the can down the road for actually having to make a decision and be a leader for a change.

His lack of leadership has caused this whole mess. The only positive thing is it appears the idea of a carbon tax is proving to be a farce and is dying a slow death.
Hahaha I don't care for the guy either but he said it's going through. And if the gov is on the hook what is it on he hook for? Will it be a failure? It's a guaranteed money printing venture. Maybe we should own it and get some money back out of the profits.

Honestly you guys whine if he says no whine if he says yes. Right now it s the loser in bc holding this up period.
Let's wait and see how this all turns out.

It has to be embarrassing that Harper never did anything to make these projects work and how can it be that a liberal dipstick might just pull it off. Lol

And by the way no answer about whether the more oil going out that way will it raise our domestic price?
Because I know for sure there will be a shortage of welders mexhanixs truck drivers once that ramps up which will definitely mean what instead of 100 bucks an hour to get a welder out it will be 200 bucks and hour.

And where will these labourers truckers come from? Pakistan India?? Reply With Quote
Apr 15, 2018 | 17:03 10 Sure, why not. Sounds like there are tons of them out there that are "licensed" for the job. Reply With Quote
Apr 15, 2018 | 17:03 11 Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have just witnessed the greatest shell/con game ever perpetrated by a federal government and I don't know if it was strategy or shit house luck from ineptitude, let me explain. Justin Trudeau has always said pipelines can only be built with a social licence. Who better to grant that than the person controlling the purse strings, who will be controlling the money?, why the political party that has the moral high ground when it comes to the environment, at least that's what they tell us. This plays to his green enviro crowd supporters and he can now say to the pro oil crowd he delivered on building the pipeline and he has backed every conservative leaning government in this country into a corner. When the time comes for debate and a vote on federal funding for this pipeline the federal conservatives cannot possibly vote against it as the liberals will accuse them of being anti oil and anti pipeline. Winner, winner chicken dinner he keeps his core supporters and makes the conservatives and any others who dare to question the feds involvement in the project look like fools. The worst part of all this is there was a private company willing to spend it's own money. Reply With Quote
Apr 15, 2018 | 17:41 12 Is this the beginning of NEP2.0? It was Trudeau senior who tried to nationalise energy resources the first time around. Perhaps this opportunity was just what they needed, and orchestrated? Reply With Quote
Apr 15, 2018 | 18:29 13
Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
Is this the beginning of NEP2.0? It was Trudeau senior who tried to nationalise energy resources the first time around. Perhaps this opportunity was just what they needed, and orchestrated?
The more the optics play out the more NEP2 is not only possible, but planned ?
Time will tell Reply With Quote
Apr 15, 2018 | 19:04 14 Big wheel you give way to much credit to Trudeau. Harper was to patient and Trudeau won't get it done either. To hear Stewart Phillip you will realise who holds the cards. Reply With Quote
Apr 15, 2018 | 19:21 15 You may be right but at least right now isn't he saying he right things? Is all I m saying. Let's see how it plays out. Reply With Quote
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Apr 15, 2018 | 19:44 16 Yes I think you guys are on to something. Leftists care only about their money and power. Ottawa and Edmonton will invest in the pipeline and with their share of the tolls bribe BC to go along. The Greens and NDP use this money to bribe their voters and every body is happy. After all the people that voted for BC's current government have to keep the welfare coming. Brilliant. Reply With Quote
Apr 15, 2018 | 21:00 17
Quote Originally Posted by the big wheel View Post
Hahaha I don't care for the guy either but he said it's going through. And if the gov is on the hook what is it on he hook for? Will it be a failure? It's a guaranteed money printing venture. Maybe we should own it and get some money back out of the profits.

Honestly you guys whine if he says no whine if he says yes. Right now it s the loser in bc holding this up period.
Let's wait and see how this all turns out.

It has to be embarrassing that Harper never did anything to make these projects work and how can it be that a liberal dipstick might just pull it off. Lol

And by the way no answer about whether the more oil going out that way will it raise our domestic price?
Because I know for sure there will be a shortage of welders mexhanixs truck drivers once that ramps up which will definitely mean what instead of 100 bucks an hour to get a welder out it will be 200 bucks and hour.

And where will these labourers truckers come from? Pakistan India??
Yes, having your boy Trudeau nationalize this pipeline would be right up your alley along with controlling the pricing....I’m sure that would work well. 🙈
The point is Kinder Morgan would of paid for 100% of this pipeline, the federal government just has to enforce the laws and put an end to the illegal disruptions.

Harper let the National Energy Board do its job unlike Trudeau who added moratoriums against oil tankers and added new upstream and downstream calculations for approvals. Reply With Quote
helmsdale's Avatar Apr 15, 2018 | 22:01 18 If business makes money, you tax it. If it still makes money you regulate the shit outta it. And when it quits making money and threatens to take its ball and go home, then of course you subsidize it! Reply With Quote
Apr 16, 2018 | 07:15 19 No pleasing the Agrivillers, complain pipelines not being built, complain pipeline (hopefully) being built. Complain government giving Kinder Morgan money now, but themselves have cashed government of Canada Ag Support program cheques.

Just wondering how any government of any strip could ever figure out exactly what it is that would please only two farmers in the room.

With the majority of you on here the issue is your Closet Boy Harpo and the PC's of Alberta couldn't get the job done and now that Trudeau and Notley "may" get it done has created one big burr in your asses.

Plain and simple your party never even came close to getting it started, so let's all bitch! Reply With Quote
Apr 16, 2018 | 07:18 20 Some of us never seem to learn.
Who can forget the days when federal government subsidized railways to move grain to port while provincial governments paid us to keep it on prairies and feed it to livestock. Reply With Quote
blackpowder's Avatar Apr 16, 2018 | 07:29 21 Maybe our concern should be with the majority of voters who believe in this new math. Reply With Quote
Apr 16, 2018 | 11:47 22
Quote Originally Posted by blackpowder View Post
Maybe our concern should be with the majority of voters who believe in this new math.
And that is the bigger problem going forward, there is ever increasing numbers of them to outvote anyone who still subscribes to the laws of economics. Reply With Quote