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Gerald Stanley murder trial starts Monday in Battleford.

farmaholic's Avatar Feb 3, 2018 | 08:24 121 I'm with others saying there needs to be some personal responsibility in these situations.

There comes a time when you have to stop placing blame everywhere but where it should be. Awareness is key, and when there is awareness of a problem excuses are seldom valid. "Leadership" needs to take the bull by the horns and make it clear "things need to change".... and not change like the quote/statement made from a such leader lately. Start at home, be bigger than the problem, set examples. Break the destructive cycles of addiction, poverty, violence and apathy.

If you spend more time looking in the rearview mirror than through the windshield, there is a good chance you're going to hit a wall.... I'm not saying forget what's behind you, because what you did encounter(experiences) in the past will make navigating into the future better, but its what's ahead that is more important.

I truly believe there is more support now than ever....

There will only be change when the pain of staying the same is greater than the pain of change. Reply With Quote
Feb 3, 2018 | 08:44 122 Would be good to have Clearence Luois from BC in charge of FSIN Reply With Quote
Feb 3, 2018 | 08:54 123
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Would be good to have Clearence Luois from BC in charge of FSIN
hell , I would like to have him for prime minister of Canada . just think what he could do for our country Reply With Quote
Feb 3, 2018 | 08:56 124 If these guys would have rolled up to a bank with a gun and tried to rob it and colton was shot and killed would all this bullshit be going on now. Reply With Quote
Feb 3, 2018 | 19:00 125
Quote Originally Posted by fjlip View Post
You got it right sir...only say 100 years of failure...parents are the NUMBER ONE cause of all the crap we hear...hardly parents at all, shame on them all!
Agreed. Reply With Quote
Feb 3, 2018 | 19:53 126 https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-magazine/clarence-louie-feature/article18913980/ Reply With Quote
Feb 4, 2018 | 08:19 127 So lets flip the situation because I fully agree with everyone needing to take responsibility for their actions.

Me and some buddies are out boozing in the car and we get a flat. Like hell am I as a white guy pulling onto the reserve to ask for help. We would be calling some other buddies to help change the tire.

The carload of natives was up to something and I agree with Stanley defending his property. The outcome was the worst possible outcome possible.

Any drunk driving charges or attempted theft charges coming for the natives in the vehicle after this trial?? Reply With Quote
Feb 4, 2018 | 09:55 128 Not sure why everyone is still talking about a flat tire ?? Already admitted in court that they were there to rob the place , same as the last place they hit before stanleys Reply With Quote
Feb 4, 2018 | 14:38 129
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Not sure why everyone is still talking about a flat tire ?? Already admitted in court that they were there to rob the place , same as the last place they hit before stanleys
Why call friends to help with tire trouble, when you can go and simply take someones entire vehicle for free? Reply With Quote
Feb 5, 2018 | 08:20 130 After first week of crown presenting its case. Not one single indicator of racism. Strictly a crime problem. Lack of respect drinking alcohol all contributing to regrettable behaviour. A life should not have been taken you may say. But a life should not have been sacrificed for self indulgence and lack of responsibility. Reply With Quote
Feb 6, 2018 | 09:24 131
Quote Originally Posted by 4GFarms View Post
So lets flip the situation because I fully agree with everyone needing to take responsibility for their actions.

Me and some buddies are out boozing in the car and we get a flat. Like hell am I as a white guy pulling onto the reserve to ask for help. We would be calling some other buddies to help change the tire.

The carload of natives was up to something and I agree with Stanley defending his property. The outcome was the worst possible outcome possible.

Any drunk driving charges or attempted theft charges coming for the natives in the vehicle after this trial??
I agree with you however strangely enough I think many first nations would be willing to help. Unfortunately they wouldn't have tools, a spare, a vehicle that runs and/or maybe no one sober to drive you somewhere Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Feb 6, 2018 | 09:45 132 Come on people..... don't use such a wide brush! Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Feb 8, 2018 | 22:46 133 Inquiry into MMIW might get a bit of insight from this testimony

Excerpt of testimony from the murder trial of RENO LEE.

"The witness testified to being involved with a street gang at the time, knowing all of the accused and earning money by selling drugs and pushing women into prostitution."

Lots to read if you Google it. No wonder....
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Feb 8, 2018 | 23:00 134 Wouldn't want to be on the jury. Two families lives destroyed that s the real story. No matter what the verdict. Find solutions not more to make enemies. Has to get better. Really sad. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Feb 8, 2018 | 23:09 135 Just to be clear, I didn't want to start another thread and just put my last post in this thread because the Stanley/Boushie case gets alot of attention and the murder of Reno Lee trial is kind of flying under the radar, but is just as important. Two dead First nations people. Familiarize yourself with both cases. Damn-well something needs to change Cheif Bobby Cameron!

Mirror Mirror on the wall.... whose in greatest denial of all?

Like bucket said.... criticize away! But it's only the truth!
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farmaholic's Avatar Feb 8, 2018 | 23:23 136 ...................

The Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations has voiced their concerns about the way the murder trial of Gerald Stanley has been going so far in Battleford.

Prior to entering the courthouse for Thursday’s proceedings, Chief Bobby Cameron of the FSIN spoke to reporters briefly, offering his support for the Boushie family.

But Cameron had his own opinions about the trial’s early focus on the car-shopping that went on at the Fouhy and the Stanley farms.

“I’m thinking to myself, to myself, in my own First Nation, if someone comes into my driveway and was checking on my truck or quad or whatever it may be, does that give me the right to shoot someone and kill someone? Absolutely not,” said Cameron to reporters.


“Honestly, it’s just material stuff. What’s more important, a stolen truck or the life of somebody? That’s the question.”

The FSIN chief also repeated concerns about the justice system’s treatment of First Nations people.

“Something has to change, the justice system in this province has to change, to meet and reflect the First Nations population,” said Cameron.

The FSIN’s justice commission would be deciding how to go forward, he indicated. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Feb 8, 2018 | 23:32 137
Quote Originally Posted by the big wheel View Post
Wouldn't want to be on the jury. Two families lives destroyed that s the real story. No matter what the verdict. Find solutions not more to make enemies. Has to get better. Really sad.
It's in everyone's best interest the root causes of this get fixed.

Treat the cause not the symptoms.

Once there's awareness, excuses are hard make. Reply With Quote
Feb 9, 2018 | 03:45 138 I ended up staying at cardston AB for two nights sat and a sunday.

Walked down the street to get a coffee and find a supermarket at maybe 8.30/9 monday am and walked past court house and was a very very long line up of first nations peoplekind presumd all for hearings.

Didnt particularly dress like a tourist jeans western shirt and work boots and cap got jeered and few obscenities wasnt fussed. But got angry angry vibes.

Guess if i knew i should have been on other side of street.

Found coffee and deep in thought hmmmm hostile nation or first nation.

Maybe if i was more tourist looking they might have liked me or robbed me Reply With Quote
Feb 9, 2018 | 03:48 139 Flip side driving around with sask3 showed me some land either next to a rez or rented from rez cant remember john said i have no issues with them,they respect me i respect them. Do you want to meet some and maybe the chief we drove past his place. We ran out of time. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Feb 9, 2018 | 07:52 140 It's not all negative when it comes to First Nations, there are successes and good news stories too. It's just that there needs to be some awareness drawn to certain facts. And the problems aren't just isolated to First Nations, the general population suffers from some of the same problems.... it's just at times bullshit needs to be called. Nobody is immune but some seem to be more prone.

The second most tragic thing, the death of the two men being the first, to happen about the two cases mentioned in this thread is if nothing is learned from them.

I'm not trying to mean spirited about it, I want it better for them too, but some personal responsibility is going to have to come into play here real quick, for even a slow turn around to occur. Reply With Quote
Feb 9, 2018 | 08:31 141 Glad to see there is some discussion about solving the root causes.

If you look around the world at many groups of people who are living in poverty and marginalized with few opportunities for young people to get ahead, you will often find social conditions that lead to higher crime rates.

If you grow up poor in a community with lots of social problems, without access to a good education and jobs you are unlikely to break the cycle of poverty. Reply With Quote
Feb 9, 2018 | 08:43 142 As my mother always said, " if you have to work and save for it you'll appreciate it more compared to if I just give it to you" Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Feb 9, 2018 | 08:45 143 Enter:

First Nations University of Canada

Saskatchewan Indian Institute of Technologies(hard to believe its still called that)

And if we can get the remote locations dependable internet, we can have distance learning. But hopefully that service doesn't serve only as a "gaming and porn" source!LOL

And even better is if they want to enroll in any technical school or university or college across the country.... Maybe instead of sending money all over the world, subsidize the education of our First Nations, the money is being spent anyway, better at home and it will pay big dividends in the future.

My whole effort isn't about suppressing them more, it's about solutions.... Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Feb 9, 2018 | 08:48 144
Quote Originally Posted by macdon02 View Post
As my mother always said, " if you have to work and save for it you'll appreciate it more compared to if I just give it to you"
Can't argue with that either, but I think they need a leg up. It is absolutely obvious what was being done in the past hasn't had resounding success.....on both parties parts Reply With Quote
fjlip's Avatar Feb 9, 2018 | 10:02 145
Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
Can't argue with that either, but I think they need a leg up. It is absolutely obvious what was being done in the past hasn't had resounding success.....on both parties parts
Jean Chretien would have cancelled Indian Act in the 70's, Turdo 1 killed the idea.
All would be very different today.
Free Residential technical or university anyone? Anyone? Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Feb 9, 2018 | 10:45 146
Quote Originally Posted by fjlip View Post
Jean Chretien would have cancelled Indian Act in the 70's, Turdo 1 killed the idea.
All would be very different today.
Free Residential technical or university anyone? Anyone?
I didn't mean political parties... Reply With Quote
Feb 9, 2018 | 10:53 147
Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
Glad to see there is some discussion about solving the root causes.

If you look around the world at many groups of people who are living in poverty and marginalized with few opportunities for young people to get ahead, you will often find social conditions that lead to higher crime rates.

If you grow up poor in a community with lots of social problems, without access to a good education and jobs you are unlikely to break the cycle of poverty.
http://www.ammsa.com/publications/saskatchewan-sage/battlefords-aboriginal-education-council-formed
Add , schools on reserves, an all native high school in North Battleford, numerous First Nations job centres , all First Nation health clinics
As well numerous state of the art hockey rinks , at the time , on several local reserves .
Opportunities are abound in this area for First Nation people , also lots of potential jobs have been available constantly within this area . The ball is in their court ..
There are literally thousands of First Nation people living and working in the Battlefords area , and have been for years involved in all schools and sports side by side as a community. Is it problem free , no , but it is far better than most think.
“Without access to good education and jobs “ as you said is not the case in this area.
The woe is me factor gets old .
It all starts at home and with local leadership to help make the change .
A Clarence Luois native leadership role is what’s needed nationally, all the opportunities are there in this area , it’s the will that’s not in some cases.
With positive leadership such as Cheif Luois , many of the background issues brought to light from this case would be almost non existent.
There are many reserves in this area and the ones with positive leadership have very few crime issues . Others are not so much. Reply With Quote
Feb 9, 2018 | 14:12 148 Is there such a thing in FN as "traditional law"

Some of the more isolated groups of aboriginal groups still practice it in a watered down way, a cross over between traditional law and whitemans law.

Seems to be less issues were old ways are practiced.

Another well received trial here in our home state is a "welfare card" instead of direct payments in cash imdigenous people get a welfare card which can only be used for food and essentials not grog and smokes virtually a cashless society on a few aboriganal missions. They have some cash but limited.

Apparently its going ok think its in second year of trial.

Some of the left/grennies/liberals say its against civil liberties forcing people to what they can buy and will create black market and more crime so they can get money for black market stuff. Cant win sometimes but its being tried. Reply With Quote
Feb 9, 2018 | 14:26 149 Yes there is , First Nations here have what is called I think Healing Circles or lodges that follow their traditional practices . Reply With Quote
Feb 9, 2018 | 14:56 150 My best mate used to work on a island out from darwin NT.

Only 6 whites on island and everything came by boat. Zero alcohol.

This is in 1980s im talking.

Its was a cushy super super well paid job set him up for life almost did it for 2 years.
From memory about 1500 indigenous lived on this island and was kind off away from whitemans influence.

Anyway he was plumber builder electrician, power was all by generators actually, carpenter gravedigger he did the lot.

Anyway one day some stuff got stolen off his work truck he nedded. Went to elder, missing goods returned,what punishment you want handed down,none he said if got my tools back.

No no must be punishment to prevent it happening again. Ok some thing very minor at lowend of penalties he said. He didnt know what to expect.

They cut the young offenders acillies tendon and said if he ever steals again he will not be able to run away. True story doubt they would do that sort of stuff nowadays Reply With Quote