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Jan 28, 2018 | 11:29 61
Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
There you have it. Selective support for the Charter.

You cannot have it both ways, sawfly (and tweety). But you just wrote down for all to see that you do want it both ways based on what YOU believe.
i have no idea what you are trying to say. We both said we support the charter. Please explain.

Klause, attack the person when you have nothing to actually say. Classy. Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 11:31 62
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I seriously don't know why you guys keep arguing with tweety. He's a troll, and arguing for effect to get others mad.


Which is why I rarely engage him unless i've had a scotch and am in a fighting mood. LOL.


I find it funny that religious organizations have to attest to gays and abortion... but not FGM (cutting girls' clitorises off).

Actually, we were going to remove the part of the citizenship guide that said it was illegal here.


Any time you start selectively enforcing laws... you end up with a dictatorship. It's a slippery slope down cultural marxism.

I Thats why I started this thread . There is a lot more to it than meets the eye.
My fear is exactly what you said in the last line .
There has been millions of federal money given off shore to religious organizations... aka Aga Kahn , with no check box on summer student employee forms . A lot of these off shore organizations practice things that are against the Canadian Charter of Rights and Feerdoms but are getting our tax payer money.
If they are going to shut out funding for the pro Life , they better be pressured to shut off funding (our tax 💰) for all who don’t up hold our Canadian Charter ... period. Don’t just push a one way agenda . Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 12:07 63
Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
I Thats why I started this thread . There is a lot more to it than meets the eye.
My fear is exactly what you said in the last line .
There has been millions of federal money given off shore to religious organizations... aka Aga Kahn , with no check box on summer student employee forms . A lot of these off shore organizations practice things that are against the Canadian Charter of Rights and Feerdoms but are getting our tax payer money.
If they are going to shut out funding for the pro Life , they better be pressured to shut off funding (our tax 💰) for all who don’t up hold our Canadian Charter ... period. Don’t just push a one way agenda .
Give us an example of funding to offshore religious organizations. How much? To whom and what was it intended for? Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 12:07 64 Totally agree with that furrow. But how do you protect the rights and freedoms set out in the charter for all Canadians?

There is no laws either for or against abortion, only the right of women in Canada to choose, so not sure which laws you figure are being selectively enforced? Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 12:11 65 Funding from Harper?
Government of Canada and Aga Khan sign funding agreement for Global Centre for Pluralism

Ottawa, Canada, 25 October 2006 - His Highness the Aga Khan will meet today on Parliament Hill with The Right Honourable Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada, and The Honourable Beverley J. Oda, Minister of Canadian Heritage, to sign a funding agreement for the Global Centre for Pluralism, to be located in Ottawa, Canada.

The Global Centre for Pluralism is a major new international centre for research, education and exchange about the values, practices and policies that underpin pluralist societies. Drawing inspiration from the Canadian experience, the centre will function as a global repository and source for knowledge about fostering pluralistic values, policies, and practices. It will work with countries to nurture successful civil societies in which every citizen, irrespective of cultural, religious or ethnic differences, is able to realize his or her full potential.

“The rejection of pluralism is pervasive across the globe and plays a significant role in breeding destructive conflicts,” says the Aga Khan. The Centre will therefore undertake research, deliver programs, facilitate dialogue, develop pedagogical materials and work with civil society partners worldwide to build the capacities of individuals, groups, educational institutions and governments to promote indigenous approaches to pluralism in their own countries and communities.

The Aga Khan has described the Canadian practice of seeking unity in diversity as “Canada’s gift to the world.” The decision to locate this major new institution in Canada’s capital city was therefore a natural one. The mission of the Centre supports several key Canadian international policy objectives, among them the promotion of democracy and good governance, a more equitable sharing of the world’s resources between developed and developing countries, and the projection of Canadian values, such as the rule of law, human rights and respect for diversity.

Under the terms of the agreement, the Government of Canada will contribute C$30 million towards the establishment of the Centre’s endowment fund. The Aga Khan will contribute a minimum of C$30 million toward the endowment and the refurbishing of the former Canadian War Museum, which the Government is making available on a long-term lease to serve as the Centre’s global headquarters.

Registered under Canadian law as a non-denominational, bilingual, non-profit organization, the Centre will be guided by an independent Board of Directors made up of leading Canadians and high-profile individuals from around the world. The Board will be jointly constituted by the Aga Khan Development Network and the Government of Canada. His Highness the Aga Khan will lead the Board as Chairman.

Drawing on the pluralistic model of Canada and the diversity of the Ismaili community worldwide, today’s announcement marks the culmination of a long-standing dialogue initiated in 2002. Since that time, both the Government and the Centre have consulted with a number of leading Canadians and civil society institutions to validate the mandate and proposed activities of the Centre. The Global Centre for Pluralism will engage with a wide range of partners, among them civil society organizations, research institutes, and academic institutions. The programmatic activities of the Centre will begin in 2007.

For further information, please contact: Jennifer Morrow
Manager, Communications
Aga Khan Foundation Canada
360 Albert Street, Suite 1220
Ottawa, Ontario K1R 7X7
Canada
Telephone: 613-237-2532 ext. 109
Fax: 613-567-2532
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Jan 28, 2018 | 12:17 66 https://www.charityintelligence.ca/charity-details/1-aga-khan-foundation-canada
Aga Khan Foundation Canada
199 Sussex Drive
Ottawa, ON K1N 1K6
CEO: Khalil Z. Shariff
Board Chair: Riaz Ahmed

Founded in 1980, Aga Khan Foundation Canada (AKFC) is an international development agency that is part of the global Aga Khan Development Network. Working in 13 countries, AKFC focuses on social, economic and cultural development to improve living conditions and opportunities for the poor. AKFC reports that it operates in Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kenya, Tajikistan, Egypt, Kyrgyz Republic, Tanzania, India, Mali, Uganda and Mozambique. AKFC’s work centers on health, education, rural development, and strengthening of civil society.

Aga Khan Foundation Canada’s international development work is financed by public support, a longstanding partnership with the Government of Canada, collaborations with other development agencies, and direct support from the Aga Khan Foundation in Geneva, Switzerland.

Global Affairs Canada (GAC) works in partnership with Aga Khan Foundation Canada. Its largest ongoing GAC-funded project is the Partnership for Advancing Human Development in Africa and Asia, which received $74.75 million in funding from F2012 to F2017. This project works primarily in Tanzania, Kenya, Afghanistan and Pakistan (67% of spending). AKFC will also be receiving $55 million from F2016 to F2020 for GAC’s Health Action Plan for Afghanistan project. Further, AKFC received $40.1 million from F2012 to F2015 for GAC’s Improving Maternal, Newborn and Child Health in Afghanistan.

AKFC’s Improving Maternal, Newborn and Child Health project works in Bamyan and Badakhshan, Afghanistan. In F2015, GAC reports that it finished the construction of the first phase of the Bamyan Provincial Hospital, a 120-bed hospital, which is more than 80% completed. GAC also reports that 19,854 individuals suffering from malnutrition received treatment, and that 193,801 men, women and children received training on water, hygiene, sanitation and nutrition.

Beginning in 2014, AKFC’s education program has been working on a five-year project to strengthen pre-primary and primary education systems in Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda. This project has so far built 850 community libraries, 100 early childhood development centres, educated 2,800 parents on the importance of reading with their children, trained 4,000 parents and community members on how to improve education quality in their schools, and 2,318 education leaders were trained to support and mentor teachers. These results have so far benefited over 340,000 children, teachers, school administrators, parents, and community members.

AKFC’s education program has also been supporting education for girls and women in Afghanistan since 2008 using what the charity calls a “collaborative whole school improvement approach”. This program has so far enabled over 175,000 Afghan girls to be able to attend school.
Financial Review:

Aga Khan Foundation Canada is a Major 100 charity with F2016 donations of $63m. Its administrative costs were 4% of revenues. The charity does not break out its fundraising costs on its audited financial statements, and AKFC’s F2016 CRA T3010 filing was unavailable at the time of this profile. As a result, the F2016 administrative costs on this profile are inclusive of fundraising costs. For every dollar donated, 96 cents go towards AKFC’s programs, falling outside Ci’s reasonable range. AKFC has $74.7m in funding reserves, resulting in a program cost coverage ratio of 76%. This means that the charity can cover just over 9 months of its annual program costs using its existing reserves.

This charity report is an update that is being reviewed by Aga Khan Foundation Canada. Changes and edits may be forthcoming.

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Jan 28, 2018 | 12:19 67 Stay focused people!!!

Why should the government fund organizations that lobby against the charter? Not some of the charter, but any facet of the charter.

Do you realize if they said or didn't say abortion, that it still is a right for women in Canada to choose - and that you still couldn't check the box?

How is this possibly a slippery slope? Rights and freedoms are in the charter. The thing that isn't in the charter is religious organizations to force their beliefs on Canadian summer students making them do things contrary to the charter, and the government refuses to fund that.
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Jan 28, 2018 | 12:19 68 So Harper and the Conservatives have funded the AGA Khan foundation. Looks like they are primarily working on education and healthcare initiatives for women and children.

What does the Aga Khan Development Network do?

In 2013, Vanity Fair described the Aga Khan’s global charity network as a “staggeringly large and effective organization,” akin to “his own UN … that also includes an enormous portfolio of for-profit businesses.”

The network employs 80,000 people in 30 countries, operating universities, hospitals and school programs for people in poor and war-torn parts of the world, regardless of their faith.

The Aga Khan’s Canadian charity, the Aga Khan Foundation, is part of this network. Since 2004, the Canadian government has sponsored 16 global development initiatives in partnership with the foundation, worth a total of more than $300 million.

The foundation’s projects do everything from supporting craft producers in Mozambique to investing in childhood education in Bangladesh or working to improve women’s health in Afghanistan.
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Blaithin's Avatar Jan 28, 2018 | 12:34 69
Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
What this thread has made clear is two things - 1) it's okay to violate the Charter, or parts thereof, when the left wants to, and 2) it's nearly impossible to uphold the basis of morality where it is outright rejected.

Talk about double standard - it's a Liberal thing.
And if it was the other way and was the right pushing pro life on people.... would this discussion be occurring the other way? Would people, like Sheepwheat, be saying "Oh no, you can have an abortion if you like." or would they be using it to push their views and religions on others and say "There! Now you can't have an abortion!"

Which could then lead us into the disaster of the American abortion debate where women feel so discriminated and stigmatized for abortions that, even when they need one to stay alive, some will choose to suffer and die. Or take their own lives.


I can say I have little problem with the original topic issue. But I'm pro choice so that's why and I recognize that fact. It doesn't really impact me so I don't have a problem with it. Such is human nature. If it was the other way you're damn right I would be upset!

BUT - I really don't see how or why the government feels the need to start imposing such things on people. I wouldn't say it's their place until the time it may become an issue of infringement on the broader population. IE) Removing the option to get an abortion from everyone or forcing everyone to get an abortion. Fund them, don't fund them, it is government money for them to decide but I really don't know why they would open such a dirty can of worms over this.

Honestly, the fact that the Charter states we have rights to religion yet then states in terms of God... that's hypocritical and outdated terminology to me. Not all religions worship God and in today's population a lot of people aren't religious. To say we have a Chartered right to our choice of religion yet the Charter is based on God's morality and supremacy...

You could say I'm one of those ridiculous leftists that want God removed from things and yeah, that wouldn't be a bad idea to me. Mainly because of issues like this one.

By placing the word God into our Charter, it has left it open to Christian entitlement that we must all live to their moral standards. Each person and religion has different moralities. They're usually fairly similar and generic and what most people feel anyway. But in the odd case, like abortion, they fall short of properly addressing the situation and the population. I can't say I've ever met someone who is pro life based on a purely individual moral standard with no religion impacting their judgement but if any of you here are, please feel free to change that. It's just been my experience that abortion is not a moral debate, it is a religious debate and as a religious debate it has no business being flung at the government as the government should not be showing any sort of preference for any kind of religion. The State should be completely separated from the Church. Every church. Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 12:42 70
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I can say I have little problem with the original topic issue. But I'm pro choice so that's why and I recognize that fact. It doesn't really impact me so I don't have a problem with it. Such is human nature. If it was the other way you're damn right I would be upset!

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Upset to the point of denying others their Charter rights?

You see the problem that the Charter has created - it enables the picking of winners and losers. Reply With Quote
Blaithin's Avatar Jan 28, 2018 | 12:58 71
Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
Upset to the point of denying others their Charter rights?

You see the problem that the Charter has created - it enables the picking of winners and losers.
All things allow the picking of winners and losers because everyone's going to apply their own interpretation to it.

Morality - something that changes in all people.

Some people aren't born with a sense of morality, or have a differing sense of morality.

A sociopath lacks a sense of moral responsibility and social conscious. Therefore who's morality do we base anything on. Someone with a moral compass in hyper drive or someone who's is recognized as lacking when compared to others.

Western morality differs from Eastern morality. 20th century morality is greatly different from even 19th century morality.

You could say that we're in a democracy and thus everyone should have the same rights, should always be right and be winners, but that's not ever going to happen. Even in a democracy you're going to have people who feel their morals are the superior ones and therefore the ones to be followed which means the people with differing morals are going to feel like the losers. And even in a democracy the government is going to advance the morals they feel are right which is going to mean some are going to feel wronged or denied. Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 13:06 72
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Upset to the point of denying others their Charter rights?
Not when those rights you claim are being denied are contrary to the charter of rights and freedoms for all Canadians.

Much like priests that felt the charter denied them the the right and freedom to molest children?
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Klause's Avatar Jan 28, 2018 | 13:19 73 Congrats, Trudeau.


You've managed to open up the abortion debate again in a country where it's been settled for two decades.




It's pretty bad when liberal feminists that write for Chatelaine are raising the alarm bells.
http://www.chatelaine.com/opinion/ju...au-pro-choice/



The problem with blind liberalism... is it's blind and ignorant. As long as government does what we want it's great and we'll gladly make other people give up their rights... never thinking where this will go in the future...


I'd like to know how forcing nuns to attest that they support gays and abortions to get funding for a cherry festival is in any way shape or form in line with the Charter. It isn't. It wouldn't fly anywhere in the Western world.

The fact we even require a debate on this shows the ignorance of some people. Perhaps a plane trip with a one-way ticket to Venezuela, North Korea, Vietnam, or China is in order... Reply With Quote
Klause's Avatar Jan 28, 2018 | 13:24 74 Also on this....


The public healthcare system is expected to pay for abortions...

Yet condoms, IUD's and birth control pills are not only for-profit, but taxed.


Maybe let's make those available to all for free... there'd probably be a lot less abortions.


Keep in mind I'm a very loose Catholic, my wife is an Atheist, and we fully planned our family and used contraceptives till we were "ready" (haha - like you can ever be ready for kids)...

I'm not against abortion, and you'll never find me at a pro or against life rally.


HOWEVER. I cherish freedom, liberty, and personal rights. As such the minute Trudeau attacked those we had a problem. Reply With Quote
Blaithin's Avatar Jan 28, 2018 | 13:32 75
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Also on this....


The public healthcare system is expected to pay for abortions...

Yet condoms, IUD's and birth control pills are not only for-profit, but taxed.


Maybe let's make those available to all for free... there'd probably be a lot less abortions.
I do agree with that, completely.

However, condoms being the exception to those three, IUD's, the pill, and I'm nearly 100% sure all other birth control options, are subsidized by the health care system. We do not pay their full cost. At least here in Alberta I don't. While they aren't free, they aren't that expensive either. I don't know their cost in other provinces but I've seen American's say how expensive the pill can be for them and it's not even in the same solar system price wise.

Sadly I don't think making BC options free would make them used that much more. Usually there's other inhibiting factors to using them than the cost. Not to mention the intelligence needed for some is sadly lacking in some people...
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Klause's Avatar Jan 28, 2018 | 13:45 76
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I do agree with that, completely.

However, condoms being the exception to those three, IUD's, the pill, and I'm nearly 100% sure all other birth control options, are subsidized by the health care system. We do not pay their full cost. At least here in Alberta I don't. While they aren't free, they aren't that expensive either. I don't know their cost in other provinces but I've seen American's say how expensive the pill can be for them and it's not even in the same solar system price wise.

Sadly I don't think making BC options free would make them used that much more. Usually there's other inhibiting factors to using them than the cost. Not to mention the intelligence needed for some is sadly lacking in some people...
If you don't mind me asking... what do the B/C pills cost in AB?

Darcy's were the no name version and with taxes just over $30 a month... I went on Planned Parenthood's site, and in the USA they are saying $15-$50 which seems about the same? I'm not sure they're subsidized other than better prices are negotiated because they are bought in large amounts.


I Think handing out condoms, or at least having dispensers in high schools, and free meds would help... We know of a few "couples" in college that can't "afford" b/c. Reply With Quote
Blaithin's Avatar Jan 28, 2018 | 13:54 77
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If you don't mind me asking... what do the B/C pills cost in AB?

Darcy's were the no name version and with taxes just over $30 a month... I went on Planned Parenthood's site, and in the USA they are saying $15-$50 which seems about the same? I'm not sure they're subsidized other than better prices are negotiated because they are bought in large amounts.


I Think handing out condoms, or at least having dispensers in high schools, and free meds would help... We know of a few "couples" in college that can't "afford" b/c.
Been a while but the pill was about $12-$14 a month depending on the type/brand.

IUD was $80 and good for 5 years so that's pennies.

I'm not sure on cost for things like the Implant or shot. If there's one that isn't covered much/at all I'd guess it to be the diaphragm. Oh and those fertility monitor things, I've never heard of any of them being covered at all.

Honestly if someone is saying they can't afford BC then I don't know how they afford to eat every month LOL Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 14:04 78 Klause, those rights and freedoms you think you have are not up to you to define, but the charter when it comes to other Canadians.

Just like the wingnut christian parents who felt it was their "right and freedom" to have god cure their diabetic son, who of course died because there is no god, were promptly put in prison.

The charter and law defined the rights of the child, the parents mistakenly thinking they could enforce what they thought were rights and freedoms - exactly what you are saying, were quickly put in check thru imprisonment.

I do not understand why you think your rights are being affected. You can believe anything you want, you just can't force those beliefs - no matter how twisted - upon others.

And that is why this whole thing started. Getting funding to force a summer student to lobby against the charter.

So what rights are you being denied?

Still no one has come up with an alternative then the present checkbox. Reply With Quote
Klause's Avatar Jan 28, 2018 | 14:17 79
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Klause, those rights and freedoms you think you have are not up to you to define, but the charter when it comes to other Canadians.

Just like the wingnut christian parents who felt it was their "right and freedom" to have god cure their diabetic son, who of course died because there is no god, were promptly put in prison.

The charter and law defined the rights of the child, the parents mistakenly thinking they could enforce what they thought were rights and freedoms - exactly what you are saying, were quickly put in check thru imprisonment.

I do not understand why you think your rights are being affected. You can believe anything you want, you just can't force those beliefs - no matter how twisted - upon others.

And that is why this whole thing started. Getting funding to force a summer student to lobby against the charter.

So what rights are you being denied?

Still no one has come up with an alternative then the present checkbox.


Huh?


You have an indefensible position... and you're babbling nonsense.


Again, go take a trip to Venezuela.

AND I ask you again, how does removing funding for workers at a cherry festival, or workers at a monastery here in Muenster NOT infringe on religious rights? You are specifically forcing a group of people to attest to something they do not believe in.

Have you ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition?


What's an alternative? NOT OPENING THIS CAN OF WORMS. Do you understand that even liberal, pro-choice women are against this because of its implications for rights and freedoms? Of course not... you think the world should subscribe to your views and only yours... Not how things work.

Now go troll somewhere else please. You've already shown you have no argument to make. Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 14:24 80 What rights are you being denied?
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Klause's Avatar Jan 28, 2018 | 14:44 81
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What rights are you being denied?

They don't have to attest to anything. Don't check the box, don't get the funding. Believe what you want.

For the 80-th time, this is about groups forcing summer students to carry out acts contrary to the charter.

If not this way, what way is better?


"They don't have to attest to anything. Don't check the box, don't get the funding. Believe what you want."

"You don't have to be Catholic. You can be brought to trial and then punished instead. Believe what you want."


Same difference.


Fundamental freedoms

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion;

(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;


(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and

(d) freedom of association.


By forcing a church to attest that they support abortion and gays to receive funding - you are forcing government's beliefs on people. End of story. How the hell does the local Cherry Festival - a fund raiser for the community infringe on these "rights" you claim the government is trying to "protect"? It's a publicity stunt.

CSJ applicants will be required to attest that both the job and the organization’s core mandate respect individual human rights in Canada, including the values underlying the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms as well as other rights. These include reproductive rights and the right to be free from discrimination on the basis of sex, religion, race, national or ethnic origin, colour, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation or gender identity or expression.
Why is FJM not in this list? Oh... right... We're only targeting Christians.


My last post already told you how to resolve this issue. Don't open a can of worms. The Government will now waste our tax money trying to defend this bullshit in court, and it will not stand up.


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Jan 28, 2018 | 14:51 82 Your response is a bunch of BS, which is why i edited my question, trying to keep it simple.

You can still practice anything you want. None of those rights and freedoms have been taken away. Also there is no mention of religious affiliation so it is not limited to that. No church is being forced to do anything.

You haven't shown anything taken away by this. The only thing shown is a bunch of drama. Reply With Quote
Klause's Avatar Jan 28, 2018 | 15:01 83
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Your response is a bunch of BS, which is why i edited my question, trying to keep it simple.

You can still practice anything you want. None of those rights and freedoms have been taken away. Also there is no mention of religious affiliation so it is not limited to that. No church is being forced to do anything.

You haven't shown anything taken away by this. The only thing shown is a bunch of drama.
Right... because loosing small town festivals, and allowing old churches to go into disrepair, while removing jobs for teenagers... that's not taking anything away.


No point in arguing with a troll. Ciao! Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 15:21 84 You mean no point arguing when all you have is emotion and no real fact.

BTW, your MP can give you the funding. Just ask. Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 15:49 85 Sadly, still no one has come up with a solution of how to prevent government funding of summer students forced to lobby contrary to the charter. Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 16:13 86 Sheepwheat - does your bible camp lobby against the Charter? If so, who funds that lobby? Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 17:47 87
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Sheepwheat - does your bible camp lobby against the Charter? If so, who funds that lobby?
Our bible camp signed the part that attests the charter. We attest to the charter. We can not attest to the liberal add on, which has been made to seem like it is part of the charter.

We do not lobby anything. We give kids a safe place to go and have fun for a few days, with the added bonus that often lives are changed for the better. Boating, tubing, camping, canoeing, fishing. We offer this and more to kids. We do not force anything on them. We subsidize camping fees for those who can not afford it. No one comes to the gate and gets turned aside. A positive experience is the goal. If kids wish to believe our beliefs, they sure can. If they do not, they are welcome to not. Nothing is forced on anyone. For the most part, the funding of the camp comes from the churches that run and support it. The amount of volunteer hours is phenomenal.

Thankful, the summer jobs program is not a deal breaker, but it is frustrating when the issue has been completely missed about this attestation thing. The liberals over reached, have got caught, are being sued, and will lose. But for now, we and thousands others are defunded, because we refuse to sight the liberal add on. The part that they tried to make look like an extension of the charter, when in reality, it is their own warped “rights”, non charter rights they made up to suit their agenda. Opening up the issues that Stephen Harper refused to reopen... Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 17:52 88
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Because it doesn't need to be in the charter. That was the supreme court decision vs Morgantaler who said it was unnecessary to be in the charter. That the Morgentaler law banning abortion was against the charter. Its not that abortion is an issue, the law against it is. There is no law "for" abortion.

Just like same sex, it was illegal to be gay - contrary to the charter. So now you can be gay and have the same rights as everyone else.

Much like abortion isn't specifically spelled out in your bible - yet you infer it.

http://www.morgentalerdecision.ca/ch...t-to-abortion/

Doesn't your MP have final say on funding? What did they say?
Thou shall not kill. Pretty clear. Any level headed human, would think this is a food starting point for life.

Our map used to have final say on funding, but not anymore if you apply, but it is rejected due to not checking the “liberal rights” Box... our map is appalled at this. She has zero say at all, because it is not she who denies our funding because we can not in good conscience check the liberal philosophy box. Being forced to agree with the immorality of this liberal clown government, or being denied funding is an interesting thing.

Again, they will lose in court, but I the meantime, the program closes feb 2, so there is no time to fix this farce in time for this year. Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 19:44 89 A few MP's went wild funding antiabortion lobbying to the tune of $342,000 last year alone with students that got summer jobs. Had your band of followers been more discreet, this wouldn't have been on the radar.

Liberal Iqra Khalid, who ran under a party steadfast in pro choice, alone gave over $50,000 to Bio-Ethical Reform - extremists when it comes to pro life. Trudeau strongly said he would protect women's right to choice - not a secret. What did you possibly think was going to happen?

Since 2011 $3.5 million have been given to groups like Alberta Pro Life, Campaign Life, Life site News, Priests for Life to lobby against the charter in summer student programs.

So you see Sheep, its your Jihad, you guys started it. Now i know you don't believe in Karma, but it certainly fits this case.

Unfortunately Klause's Cherry festival is the victim, and also his run down church, and even your summer camp. But come on, what did you expect? Reply With Quote
Jan 28, 2018 | 21:30 90
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A few MP's went wild funding antiabortion lobbying to the tune of $342,000 last year alone with students that got summer jobs. Had your band of followers been more discreet, this wouldn't have been on the radar.

Liberal Iqra Khalid, who ran under a party steadfast in pro choice, alone gave over $50,000 to Bio-Ethical Reform - extremists when it comes to pro life. Trudeau strongly said he would protect women's right to choice - not a secret. What did you possibly think was going to happen?

Since 2011 $3.5 million have been given to groups like Alberta Pro Life, Campaign Life, Life site News, Priests for Life to lobby against the charter in summer student programs.

So you see Sheep, its your Jihad, you guys started it. Now i know you don't believe in Karma, but it certainly fits this case.

Unfortunately Klause's Cherry festival is the victim, and also his run down church, and even your summer camp. But come on, what did you expect?
Lol. We started it? Lol the libs lost once, they will lose again. Do you have anything to say about the actual attestation? The part that comes after the actual charter part? You know, the added on bit?

You will see that they will lose. Again. They already paid out three groups, accepting that they discriminated against them unjustly.

What do you have against bible camps? Against people who believe in the fact that abortion is murder? Or is the baby at nine months just a blob?

Do you think Canadians have the charter right of thought and religion? Reply With Quote