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Dec 29, 2017 | 09:50 1 Looking at another site the price down south could be 2.02 per us gallon....

That equates and follow the math....2.02 ÷ 3.78 ÷ .79 = 67 cents a liter CDN......


I just fill the slip tank because I need it but what are our prices....close to a buck I think....that's quite an input difference to compete with....

Tractor burning 25 gallons an hour or 95 liters an hour with a 35 cent a liter spread .... Reply With Quote
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Dec 29, 2017 | 10:15 2 It is amazing now that there is the first new refinery in Canuckistan in thirty years going online that the diesel price goes up not down. Shows how the market here is completely broken as the players collude all the time. Some of the pressure is due to the cold weather and heating oil demand and should fade next week. But the spread between US prices and Canadian prices just got bigger again as well. Reply With Quote
Dec 29, 2017 | 13:18 3 Filled up with dyed winter a week ago - was quoted $1.03. But he dropped it to under a buck cuz I own the tank.

What's happening on Jan. !? is there another hike coming to the carbon tax? Reply With Quote
Dec 29, 2017 | 20:26 4
Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
Filled up with dyed winter a week ago - was quoted $1.03. But he dropped it to under a buck cuz I own the tank.

What's happening on Jan. !? is there another hike coming to the carbon tax?
Goes from $20 to $30 on January 1st. Next increase after that is in 2021.

Between it, the minimum wage hike, NAFTA elimination and increases in Hydro, that should pretty well kill business in Ontario for good.

Under $1 colored must be nice. $1.219 here. Was $1.03 majority of summer. Reply With Quote
Dec 29, 2017 | 20:41 5
Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
Looking at another site the price down south could be 2.02 per us gallon....

That equates and follow the math....2.02 ÷ 3.78 ÷ .79 = 67 cents a liter CDN......


I just fill the slip tank because I need it but what are our prices....close to a buck I think....that's quite an input difference to compete with....

Tractor burning 25 gallons an hour or 95 liters an hour with a 35 cent a liter spread ....
Federated Coop was charging about 92-93 cents two weeks ago.

Oil has now crept over $60/barrel again
CDN $ increased to 79 from 77
Will have to check what the change is....likely won’t order for a while.

Last year it was as low as 50 in January and as high as 99 a month ago. Maybe near the high again? Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Dec 29, 2017 | 21:13 6 90.9 cents dyed diesel on Nov 20th. Dated info. Reply With Quote
Dec 30, 2017 | 10:07 7
Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
Filled up with dyed winter a week ago - was quoted $1.03. But he dropped it to under a buck cuz I own the tank.
Just curious what you mean by "own the tank"? Does the fuel dealer give tanks to some for "free" but magically they get the privilege of a different price for this? Around here everyone owns their tanks. Reply With Quote
Dec 30, 2017 | 10:12 8 Around here a lot of the fuel suppliers will put a tank(s) in the customer's yard, no charge. But then they also get all the business.

Had a scrap over fuel price with a supplier quite a few years ago so I bought my own diesel tank and told him to pick his up. It's paid itself back many times over.

I've found that shopping around pays pretty darn good. Reply With Quote
Dec 30, 2017 | 10:13 9 A friend got some delivered last week at $1.08 from the coop and this is west of Edmonton. Our last stuff was for $0.89 in November. Should go check the tank since it could be getting down there. Cows like to eat everyday especially in this weather 😉 Reply With Quote
Dec 30, 2017 | 22:52 10
Quote Originally Posted by woodland View Post
A friend got some delivered last week at $1.08 from the coop and this is west of Edmonton. Our last stuff was for $0.89 in November. Should go check the tank since it could be getting down there. Cows like to eat everyday especially in this weather 😉
$1.08 must be clear fuel. Reply With Quote
Dec 31, 2017 | 01:06 11
Quote Originally Posted by Horse View Post
$1.08 must be clear fuel.
Nope dyed diesel........merry Christmas for the suppliers/refiners Reply With Quote
Dec 31, 2017 | 01:11 12
Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
Around here a lot of the fuel suppliers will put a tank(s) in the customer's yard, no charge. But then they also get all the business.

Had a scrap over fuel price with a supplier quite a few years ago so I bought my own diesel tank and told him to pick his up. It's paid itself back many times over.

I've found that shopping around pays pretty darn good.
I see.
CPS wanted us to do that with fert bins too. I'm married to my wife and that's enough for me........ ain't hitching up with no supplier for five years or anything like that. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Dec 31, 2017 | 07:29 13 Is your commitment to the fert dealer only as long as there's money owing on the bin? If it's a real cheap bin sign up and then pay it off in the first or second year then make him earn your business after that. I guess this argument goes for propane tanks, heating fuel tanks (according to burnt) and anhydrous tanks....never good to be locked in with one supplier. Reply With Quote
Dec 31, 2017 | 08:17 14 Does anyone own their propane tanks? I've wondered if one could own them because it would sure make one heck of a difference in price come drying season. Or home heating, for that matter.

I have found there is usually a minimum 4 cent spread on diesel and sometimes as much as 8 cents. Says something about their margins. I use only a fraction of what we did in years past anymore, but it's still worthwhile.

The regs are starting to get tighter around this stuff though. It will only be a matter of time before you won't be able to buy fuel without having everything inspected. It's already that way here with heating oil. Then they gotchca. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Dec 31, 2017 | 08:25 15 ULC (Underwriters Laboratories of Canada) approved tanks will probably be the starting point. Then possible scheduled inspections? Reply With Quote
Dec 31, 2017 | 09:15 16
Quote Originally Posted by woodland View Post
A friend got some delivered last week at $1.08 from the coop and this is west of Edmonton. Our last stuff was for $0.89 in November. Should go check the tank since it could be getting down there. Cows like to eat everyday especially in this weather 😉
Coop delivered dyed diesel on Friday just around 98 cents. Southern Alberta. Esso or CPS was 94. With rebate coop was a bit cheaper Reply With Quote
Dec 31, 2017 | 09:28 17 big deal made out of bread price fixing ? wonder why fuel or gas not important for price fixing ? or fert.? Reply With Quote
Dec 31, 2017 | 09:33 18
Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
Does anyone own their propane tanks? I've wondered if one could own them because it would sure make one heck of a difference in price come drying season. Or home heating, for that matter.

I have found there is usually a minimum 4 cent spread on diesel and sometimes as much as 8 cents. Says something about their margins. I use only a fraction of what we did in years past anymore, but it's still worthwhile.

The regs are starting to get tighter around this stuff though. It will only be a matter of time before you won't be able to buy fuel without having everything inspected. It's already that way here with heating oil. Then they gotchca.
We own our propane tanks. We got a 2,000 gallon on the dryer and a couple of 500 gallons and a couple pigs. 8 years of renting pays for a tank. Propane was $.45 to $.50 a litre this fall for drying and hard to get at times. Reply With Quote
Dec 31, 2017 | 09:47 19 I still don't understand .....not too long ago there was something said that western Canadian oil was at a steep discount because the pipelines were fully booked....back to rail....


So the math doesn't make sense ....lower input costs at refineries...federated husky Strathcona fort mac and the new one..... and yet higher fuel prices than in the states...

How about look into this collusion or at least tax them on the price fixing margins..... Reply With Quote
Dec 31, 2017 | 10:06 20
Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
I still don't understand .....not too long ago there was something said that western Canadian oil was at a steep discount because the pipelines were fully booked....back to rail....


So the math doesn't make sense ....lower input costs at refineries...federated husky Strathcona fort mac and the new one..... and yet higher fuel prices than in the states...

How about look into this collusion or at least tax them on the price fixing margins.....
Was down in Shelby a few weeks ago. Diesel at the pump was anoutbhe same price as dyed diesel up here after exchange. Reply With Quote
Dec 31, 2017 | 11:44 21
Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
Is your commitment to the fert dealer only as long as there's money owing on the bin? If it's a real cheap bin sign up and then pay it off in the first or second year then make him earn your business after that. I guess this argument goes for propane tanks, heating fuel tanks (according to burnt) and anhydrous tanks....never good to be locked in with one supplier.
The commitment is to buy 1.5x the tonnage of the bin annually. Then they make the lease payment otherwise you make it. It works out to a couple of bucks a tonne and with 133 tonne bin you only get like 100 T of urea in it but have to buy 200 to get the "deal". We bought our own with a three year lease and they paid for themselves at the end vs buying in the winter and picking up at seeding which we were doing.

Also I can fill a truck in 20 minutes vs driving 60-80 miles round trip in May to pick up only to find they ran out of phos that you bought in December and paid storage on. Last time we went back there. One of the better purchases we've made.
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farmaholic's Avatar Dec 31, 2017 | 12:02 22
Quote Originally Posted by woodland View Post
The commitment is to buy 1.5x the tonnage of the bin annually. Then they make the lease payment otherwise you make it. It works out to a couple of bucks a tonne and with 133 tonne bin you only get like 100 T of urea in it but have to buy 200 to get the "deal". We bought our own with a three year lease and they paid for themselves at the end vs buying in the winter and picking up at seeding which we were doing.

Also I can fill a truck in 20 minutes vs driving 60-80 miles round trip in May to pick up only to find they ran out of phos that you bought in December and paid storage on. Last time we went back there. One of the better purchases we've made.
Nothing is free, the lease cost they claim they are making will be built into the fertilizer price. Reply With Quote
Dec 31, 2017 | 13:34 23
Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
Nothing is free, the lease cost they claim they are making will be built into the fertilizer price.
Whaaaaaat?? You mean the burgers at the customer appreciation lunch were paid for by me too??🙁

I thought that was my "free lunch". Lol Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Dec 31, 2017 | 13:47 24
Quote Originally Posted by woodland View Post
Whaaaaaat?? You mean the burgers at the customer appreciation lunch were paid for by me too??🙁

I thought that was my "free lunch". Lol
Our local Co-op charges a token amount for a burger and pop at their customer appreciation day .....I wish that was bullshit. Almost too hard to believe..?.but we are talking about the Slum of the Ghetto!

And yup....no such thing as a free lunch. Reply With Quote
Dec 31, 2017 | 14:06 25
Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
Our local Co-op charges a token amount for a burger and pop at their customer appreciation day .....I wish that was bullshit. Almost too hard to believe..?.but we are talking about the Slum of the Ghetto!

And yup....no such thing as a free lunch.
You really do live in the Ghetto 😉

I've got a bunch of family coming over soon....... better tell them there's a cover charge. Maybe a token amount to cover the carbon tax on the copious amount of fuel I've burned this week keeping everything warm and running in this -35 climate change induced cold snap. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Dec 31, 2017 | 14:15 26
Quote Originally Posted by woodland View Post
You really do live in the Ghetto 😉

I've got a bunch of family coming over soon....... better tell them there's a cover charge. Maybe a token amount to cover the carbon tax on the copious amount of fuel I've burned this week keeping everything warm and running in this -35 climate change induced cold snap.
Ask for tax deductible donations....lssue receipts. A last minute tax deduction. A win/win deal. Less than 10 hours left. Reply With Quote
Dec 31, 2017 | 14:37 27
Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
Ask for tax deductible donations....lssue receipts. A last minute tax deduction. A win/win deal. Less than 10 hours left.
Are you a charity, church, or claim it as income, or "conveniently " forget to claim it with CRA?

Receipt book is standing by😎 Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Dec 31, 2017 | 14:51 28
Quote Originally Posted by woodland View Post
Are you a charity, church, or claim it as income, or "conveniently " forget to claim it with CRA?

Receipt book is standing by😎
Everything above board here. A tax audit would be as straight forward as an uncooked box of Catelli spaghetti.....not a pot of cooked and stirred spaghetti.

Loosen up your guests with a strong social lubricant (booze) before they make their donations 🎉 Reply With Quote
Dec 31, 2017 | 15:06 29
Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
Everything above board here. A tax audit would be as straight forward as an uncooked box of Catelli spaghetti.....not a pot of cooked and stirred spaghetti.

Loosen up your guests with a strong social lubricant (booze) before they make their donations 🎉


Ready to roll🍻! Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Dec 31, 2017 | 15:45 30 That's a good start.😉 Reply With Quote