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    Must read for any farmer questioning climate change

    [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/26/world/americas/peru-climate-change.html?emc=edit_th_20171126&nl=todaysheadline s&nlid=50975083"]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/26/world/americas/peru-climate-change.html?emc=edit_th_20171126&nl=todaysheadline s&nlid=50975083[/URL]

    To those of you who claim the climate is not warming, or climate change is all good, or even if you are not sure if climate change is happening, this is a must read.

    The really scary part is most of the rivers in western Canada are also glacial fed and if those glaciers melt, there goes our irrigation supply as well as water for many of the major cities. What is happening is Peru is what we will face down the road.

    #2
    A good read. Won't find many supporters here though - too many that call water "soil poison" LOL.

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      #3
      If the rivers are just glacier fed that means that the glaciers have been melting for millions of years so global warming started long before man showed up. ****in libtard bullshit.

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        #4
        Forgot to mention that rivers are fed by melting snowpack from annual winter snow.

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          #5
          That logic is so full of shit!!!!
          What about rivers such as the Red that flow into Hudsun Bay? Can argue about the whole watershed but I know of no glaciers in ND or MINNESOTA

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            #6
            Also, what is proposed as a reduction in C02 and Green House gasses, will cool the planet how? Or reduce warming by how much?

            Peru has always had glaciers?

            The climate is always changing, and will no matter what we do

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              #7
              Originally posted by sofa.king View Post
              If the rivers are just glacier fed that means that the glaciers have been melting for millions of years so global warming started long before man showed up. ****in libtard bullshit.
              no use arguing with the data deniers on here , wasting your breath .
              everyone knows the climate has been changing since time began and never will stop .
              and if they really wanted to lower emissions , bio fuel would do that , it's got **** all to do with lowering emissions
              instead they believe leaches like gore and Suzuki and can't seem to figure out its all about them making money

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                #8
                One interesting quote from the article:"A changing climate has long haunted Peru. One past civilization, the Moche people, built cities in the same deserts, only to collapse more than a millennium ago after the Pacific Ocean warmed, killing fish and causing flash floods, many archeologists contend." No fossil fuel use a millennia ago, still had changing climates wiping out people!

                Grassfarmer, always stirring the pot trying to get a reaction lol. First, I have no doubt that the almost 7 billion humans on earth affect the planet. Please explain to me how you feel the carbon tax in Canada is going to change the world's climate? How will it stop glaciers melting? Have glaciers not been melting since the ice age? Also what are you going to do for a living when the environmental movement outlaws the consumption of meat? I read an interesting article on the CBC website discussing how it is easiest to lower your carbon footprint. Two points stuck out in my mind, the first was to have 1 less child and the second was to eat less meat!

                One other thought, supporters of more government think government is the answer. Look at our Federal government, they can't even develope a new pay system that works. It could end up costing a billion dollars! Yet many on the left think governments should nationalize industry and take over. What a joke!

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                  #9
                  Nobody is listening to human caused climate change deniers. As I have pointed out before only one Conservative MP voted against supporting the Paris Climate accord in a June vote. You can't even convince the Conservative party of Canada to support your anti science views.

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                    #10
                    At some point in the past the glaciers were formed by an asteroid or volcanoes or combo causing clouds to cool the earth.
                    Since the clouds have been gone these glaciers have been melting taking our earth back to where it was prior those major events. As the glaciers naturally get smaller more sunlight is hitting black ground and less ice simply means warmer. It is no surprise then that the planet may be warming and that there may be floods etc. To stop this natural event we would need to replicate these disasters at a lower rate??? Crazy or what ???? Hahaha

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                      #11
                      Donald trump may have another alternative answer in maybe to get rid of the pathetic humans that need to keep warm and grow food to live by using energy we should perhaps nuke vast population areas to slow down this pattern??? Donald the humanitarian saviour!!! Hahahah
                      Last edited by the big wheel; Nov 26, 2017, 09:44.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                        Nobody is listening to human caused climate change deniers. As I have pointed out before only one Conservative MP voted against supporting the Paris Climate accord in a June vote. You can't even convince the Conservative party of Canada to support your anti science views.
                        well , you listen and argue everyday . soon no one will be listening to the data and science deniers . maybe after this unusually cold winter

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                          #13
                          More Sunday morning education:

                          for those of you thinking glaciers have nothing to do with river flows:
                          [URL="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-18/canadian-river-vanishes-in-geological-instant/8449508"]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-18/canadian-river-vanishes-in-geological-instant/8449508[/URL]

                          source of rivers in western Canada:
                          [URL="http://aep.alberta.ca/water/water-conversation/documents/FactsAboutWaterAlberta-Dec2010A.pdf"]http://aep.alberta.ca/water/water-conversation/documents/FactsAboutWaterAlberta-Dec2010A.pdf[/URL]
                          Read section 2.1 Rivers in above link. Note first sentence states: "Most of the major rivers in Western Canada originate from glaciers and high elevation snowpacks in the Rocky Mountains..."
                          Last edited by dmlfarmer; Nov 26, 2017, 10:14.

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                            #14
                            dml, this article proves beyond a doubt that if you cherry pick the place, and cherry pick the time frame, that you can find evidence to support any agenda. In this case, the time frame coincides with the most recent natural warming cycle of 1980 to 2000, and the place, a postage stamp sized area which has no history of agriculture.

                            Quote from the article: that were locked under the glaciers for thousands of years While I expect that this statement is simply the result of someone with no concept of geologic history, it implies that sometime in the past few thousand year long interglacial period (~11,000 years), that these glaciers did not exist at this altitude, which would imply that it was warmer then than now, then got cold enough for them to creep back down.

                            So I guess the best solution is to cool these glaciers so that they stop melting. Then they will have no agriculture, no drinking water, no hydro electric, and can all go back to subsistence farming in the mountains. That will be the end result either way. So instead of taking advantage of this brief respite from cold which nature has provided us, which allows opportunities to use water otherwise uselessly locked up in ice, we should do everything we can to keep it there and deny them at least a short term opportunity.

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                              #15
                              AF5 Are you insinuating that glacier melt is only happening in Peru and only in the last few years?

                              Fact is retreat of glaciers has happened since the last ice age and will continue until the next ice age (if and when that occurs). And it is not limited to Peru but is a world wide phenomena. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850[/URL]
                              But as someone concerned about global cooling and the onset of the next ice age, glacier retreat should not be a worry to you unless the glaciers all melt before the onset of the next ice age. (this means next ice age must begin within the next generation for the recovery of Peru glaciers and all the people that demands on this water source) However, it is tough to claim global cooling when the rate of glacier melt is rapidly increasing.
                              Nor am I advocating complete stopping the melt of glaciers. To say such a thing is ludicrous given glaciers provide water and life to farms, people, communities and life around the world. The only point I tried to make by posting the Peru article was glacier melt is another indication of a warming world; especially given the rate of melt is rapidly increasing.

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