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Oct 23, 2017 | 16:12 31 How do you guys bring your concerns forward to commissions?
What things do you think they should be doing for you that they aren't now?

I see some big holes left in the system that aren't being adressed and not sure who would do anything about them. I have brought forward to all commissions and CGC not hearing of much action or maybe even addressing. Reply With Quote
Oct 23, 2017 | 17:21 32
Quote Originally Posted by Oliver88 View Post
Is this an easy process to get it back?
Do you have to do this every year or just once?
they don't make it easy. first of all no forms can be found on their websites, you have to call (what is this the 1970's?). then you need to submit a record of all your deliveires, plus the deadline dates are different with all of them, some annually some several deadlines per year. if the computer systems are already in place with most graincos to report the deductions to the check off groups, why do I have to go thru the whole process again to show them records of my deliveries. Lots of work to get your money back.

as stated earlier, keep your money and take the family on a well deserved vacation this winter. you will likely bump into one of these groups holding 'meetings' while down south. Reply With Quote
Oct 23, 2017 | 18:07 33
Quote Originally Posted by Quadtrack View Post
I am going to disagree with several on this discussion. I think there is a purpose and value for the $ with some of the commissions but certainly there is room for improvement and efficiency
Some facts:
There would not be a pulse industry in sask or certainly not near as robust a one as what we have without the producer $. All the best varieties to date, and in lentil, all varieties anyone here grows, have been developed with check off funds. And we can grow them royalty free. Not important? Switch back to common crimson lentil seed and see how that works. Don’t grow lentils at all? Similar story for peas although there are a few other decent varieties around-not royalty free tho. Compare your total check off per acre to royalty on a variety in another system(like canola).
There are issues, serious issues, that some of the groups address or the national ones address that does not happen unless there is $. For example the COOL issue in Italy right now with durum wheat. Will there be a positive outcome? Hard to say, but if not for the national org addressing it, chances are very slim. The prov SK Wheat has chosen to completely ignore this issue w funding and involvement so the likes of Gehl are simply saying durum going to Italy is not important to SK.
And MRL issues-look back to 2011 and review what would be the state of the green lentil market with the glyphosate issue had Pulse Canada not been involved with science to intervene-there may not be a market at all. Those issues are way more prevalent today but many producers are not aware of them.
It’s another misconception that it’s nothing but trips and party for those on these boards. That is not accurate in my experience. In fact, there is a major contribution of time and mental energy being made by many to try and make things better for everyone.
Now, if the majority of farmers do not see value-after some due diligence determining what actually goes on, then there needs to be change.
We have the system we have and I am not going to say it’s perfect or there should not be change. It is up to farmers. Get involved if you want to make change. Propose a better system. Amalgamate some things for efficiency. Most importantly vote and make your voice heard.
The Pulse Board during the Slinkard - Robin Morrow(I think) made great strides. We all benifited and owe them a debt of gratitude. that is or sure but now the budget is huge because the check-off is too high for the number of acres. Maybe this year at the annual meeting growers will vote to reduce the levy again. The board talked about making the levy refundable at he last meeting I attended. Many of us probably wouldn't ask for it back anyway. Reply With Quote
LEP
Oct 23, 2017 | 18:35 34 Not defending anyone, but the pulse levy doesn't get used up every year because they mandate a percentage to go to fund future needs in case of shortfall. They fund multiyear research projects.

These recent pea fractionization plants came about because of several years of the pulse board funding research on using pulse fractions in flour to lower the glycolic index of white bread, buns etc.

So that, some early agronomy research and varietal development are vital gains for the pulse producers.

Canary guys funding research on suitability for human consumption.

Wheat guys.... no clue.

Canola growers have funded some autonomy stuff in the past.

Wheat guys ... no clue. Oh ya I said that. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Oct 23, 2017 | 20:29 35
Quote Originally Posted by LEP View Post
Not defending anyone, but the pulse levy doesn't get used up every year because they mandate a percentage to go to fund future needs in case of shortfall. They fund multiyear research projects.

These recent pea fractionization plants came about because of several years of the pulse board funding research on using pulse fractions in flour to lower the glycolic index of white bread, buns etc.

So that, some early agronomy research and varietal development are vital gains for the pulse producers.

Canary guys funding research on suitability for human consumption.

Wheat guys.... no clue.

Canola growers have funded some autonomy stuff in the past.

Wheat guys ... no clue. Oh ya I said that.

Maybe the Wheat Commissions could work at getting fair standardized contracts and getting the ridiculously low specs adjusted upward for fusarium damage in wheat and durum.....don't forget that beast will rear it's ugly head again! Don't let one disease free year lull you into a false sense of security! Reply With Quote
LEP
Oct 23, 2017 | 23:54 36 Friggin autocorrect on phones.

Glycemic not glycolic.

Agronomic not autonomy. Reply With Quote
Oct 24, 2017 | 00:26 37
Quote Originally Posted by LEP View Post
Not defending anyone, but the pulse levy doesn't get used up every year because they mandate a percentage to go to fund future needs in case of shortfall. They fund multiyear research projects.

These recent pea fractionization plants came about because of several years of the pulse board funding research on using pulse fractions in flour to lower the glycolic index of white bread, buns etc.

So that, some early agronomy research and varietal development are vital gains for the pulse producers.

Canary guys funding research on suitability for human consumption.

Wheat guys.... no clue.

Canola growers have funded some autonomy stuff in the past.

Wheat guys ... no clue. Oh ya I said that.

Canary seed for human consumption? I've heard that song for 35 years. Maybe if we were song birds. Hope I am never that hungry. Reply With Quote
LEP
Oct 24, 2017 | 06:25 38
Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
Canary seed for human consumption? I've heard that song for 35 years. Maybe if we were song birds. Hope I am never that hungry.
In Mexico they blend canary in a high speed blender and it makes canary milk. Kind of like almond milk. Supposedly very healthy for you. Also gluten free I think. Reply With Quote
Oct 24, 2017 | 06:29 39
Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
Canary seed for human consumption? I've heard that song for 35 years. Maybe if we were song birds. Hope I am never that hungry.
Like flax, you see? Flaxseed in the cattle ration makes for a shiny coat.

Imagine what it will do for your hair...LOL!

Canary seed will doubtlessly produce a lot more Celine Dions... Reply With Quote
Oct 24, 2017 | 07:57 40 I laugh when I hear about boards going on holidays. I spent 6 years at Sask Pulse as a director. 4 years of that time as a director also of Pulse Canada.

I went on three trips outside Canada in 6 years. 10 days in China (Pea demand to China IS a Pulse Canada story 100%, the identified it initially). It's the second largest yellow pea market in the world and while India is being supplied by black sea this fall, china is still buying this fall. We are very fortunate for this work.

Second trip was two days in Morocco on a free trade mission with Ritz. Worst jet lag of my life. I literally didn't sleep for 3 days.

Third trip was pulse conference in Mexico. I would say this is closest to a holiday but it was still 3 days of meetings. Enjoyable but no runaway holiday.

Last three years I logged 40 days per year away from my farm and day job. Plus 20-40 conference calls. It's a big commitment. When I went on the board I didn't even know they paid a per diem. On top of this recorded time I spent countless hours thinking and reading about the work we did. Plus fight the politics of special crops. That was the only bad part. It was hugely rewarding but very taxing time for me personally.

Anyone that thinks $8 million is spent on fluff simply doesn't know what impact the research is having on our demand. Market access (phyto issues), access to federal funds for utilization work. Sales are being made to food companies today. 10 years ago it was 100% commodity. We are lucky this has occurred as Black Sea is going to eat sharply into our traditional markets like India and middle East.

SPG levies are non refundable as it funds the breeding program. We have made huge advancements. Maxim was a massive shift. It is unreasonable that some get to use those genetics for free because they want it refunded. Reply With Quote
Oct 24, 2017 | 08:22 41 Thx for the first hand experience Dave .
A lot of people I don't think realize that .
Most positions like that are thank less because very few understand the complete picture. Reply With Quote
Oct 24, 2017 | 09:11 42 Thanks for holding a board seat Dave, Just a few questions.
How come we cant have one voice Canada pulse, MPG,SPG,APG?
Do you think Sask. pulse growers are paying more than Mb or Ab?
Have you been paid while holding a position? Do you think it is adequate?
Why Is there 26,000,000 surplus sitting in SPG? Is this not a non profit? Reply With Quote
Oct 24, 2017 | 09:24 43 It's too bad that trump has a protectionist policy....in reality we should be looking for common north American groups and transportation routes that benefit the continent including Mexico as a whole....

Tell me why opec and canpotex can demand what they do?

Dont like it but tbeir policies working together work somehow....

Pulses and these boards can't be too much different...

Imagine a pulse producing export countries ...PPEC for short....


Include the Ukraine on pulses so we don't run each other to the bottom price wise. .... Reply With Quote
Oct 24, 2017 | 14:36 44 Just think if a few nations did get together and formed a lentil cartel - like Opec. Think it would work? Reply With Quote
Oct 24, 2017 | 14:43 45
Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
Just think if a few nations did get together and formed a lentil cartel - like Opec. Think it would work?
It's already happening. Viterra, Cargil, Etc. Reply With Quote
Oct 26, 2017 | 08:06 46 Concerning the Sask Pulse Growers:
Thanks for holding a board seat Dave, Just a few questions.
How come we cant have one voice Canada pulse, MPG,SPG,APG?
Do you think Sask. pulse growers are paying more than Mb or Ab?
Have you been paid while holding a position? Do you think it is adequate?
Why Is there 26,000,000 surplus sitting in SPG? Is this not a non profit? Reply With Quote
Oct 26, 2017 | 08:12 47 So basically our canary check off is going to what? Somebody in a trench coat watching some Mexican peasants steal a blender (according to trump) and grind up some canary seed? Is that the study? Lol
Are they studying the price screw job that gets lost on the way to Mexico too?

This was being done years ago. It is by all accounts a very healthy alternative. Reply With Quote
Oct 26, 2017 | 09:24 48
Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
.....Tell me why opec and canpotex can demand what they do?

Dont like it but tbeir policies working together work somehow....

Pulses and these boards can't be too much different...
Maybe if you'd all worked to reform the CWB to make it better instead of destroying it you could have had this? It was the closest shot you ever had to being an OPEC. Reply With Quote
Oct 26, 2017 | 10:03 49
Quote Originally Posted by the big wheel View Post
So basically our canary check off is going to what? Somebody in a trench coat watching some Mexican peasants steal a blender (according to trump) and grind up some canary seed? Is that the study? Lol
Are they studying the price screw job that gets lost on the way to Mexico too?

This was being done years ago. It is by all accounts a very healthy alternative.
Canary Assn (which i am still involved with) mainly spends on breeding and Agronomy and a small amount of money is used for food work and a really small amount on admin. Most of these projects have matching provincial or federal dollars. Without organizations like this much of the breeding and agronomy work would have not be funded by either govt.

It would be a good time for your to start exporting canaryseed to Mexico. Today they are trying to buy at 18-19 cents grower plus 2 cents to clean it, plus transport costs. It's extremely lucrative today. Not much to study. Stop by my office sometime and i will show you how you can make easy money trading canary into Mexico. Reply With Quote
Oct 26, 2017 | 10:05 50 I received a letter in mail to vote now.
Apparently Saskatchewan elections for pulse growers and wheat growers is open now....will have to check it out.

(Not sure if other commodity groups are having an election currently.) Reply With Quote
Oct 26, 2017 | 10:09 51 Dave4441

Do I sense sarcasm in your last post about making money at 18 cents on canary seed to Mexico. ? Reply With Quote
Oct 26, 2017 | 10:27 52
Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
Dave4441

Do I sense sarcasm in your last post about making money at 18 cents on canary seed to Mexico. ?
Yup. That market is extremely low margin. Actually all grain markets today are low margin. I am serious about the price that will interest new demand today. It's low. Buyer's bought when canary was 25 cents and now they are getting crushed. So they are trying to find the bottom.

This black sea competition is making business difficult for many pulse markets. Canary moving into Italy from Ukraine (as an example) so prices get pushed down in other areas in a race to the bottom.

Canadian Ag is going to be tightening it's belt across the entire industry. Crop failure somewhere in the world is the only hope.

I am speaking about special crops in a general sense but i see it in other markets as well. Reply With Quote
Oct 26, 2017 | 10:31 53 Then you have no clue about what's going on Dave. There are a small amount of players that set the price they can set that price because no one represents the seller. A few large middlemen here take their payoffs and we get the shit prices. That's what's happening!! Reply With Quote
Klause's Avatar Oct 26, 2017 | 11:55 54
Quote Originally Posted by the big wheel View Post
Then you have no clue about what's going on Dave. There are a small amount of players that set the price they can set that price because no one represents the seller. A few large middlemen here take their payoffs and we get the shit prices. That's what's happening!!


Actually Dave is right.


Canada gave away the goose that laid the golden eggs now ag s up the creek without a paddle.


As far as sask pulse or pulse Canada taking credit for pea fractionating. LOL. We can thank Dr. Pascalle Pelgrom and his associates at U of
Wageningen for the increased awareness and use of pea flours Reply With Quote
Oct 26, 2017 | 12:05 55
Quote Originally Posted by the big wheel View Post
Then you have no clue about what's going on Dave. There are a small amount of players that set the price they can set that price because no one represents the seller. A few large middlemen here take their payoffs and we get the shit prices. That's what's happening!!
LOL, you have no clue.

First of all there are 3-4 main Canadian exporters of canaryseed to Mexico and a couple smaller ones.

They sell to 5 main importers in Mexico and a couple smaller ones. They sell both to consumers directly in central markets, supply Walmart and large grocery chains and to small resellers across the country.

Margins are low. That is it. No conspiracy. But i give you credit for riding this belief this long. Reply With Quote
Oct 26, 2017 | 13:34 56
Quote Originally Posted by Klause View Post
Actually Dave is right.


Canada gave away the goose that laid the golden eggs now ag s up the creek without a paddle.


As far as sask pulse or pulse Canada taking credit for pea fractionating. LOL. We can thank Dr. Pascalle Pelgrom and his associates at U of
Wageningen for the increased awareness and use of pea flours
Two seperate issues. The use of pea starch in China is a different use then fractionation in Europe. Lots of European investment in Canada research programs with Pulse Canada. I challenge Klause to try and understand how much work has been done by Pulse Canada in last 10 years. It is huge.

I personally pushed funding thru to look at milling of lentils. No work had been done at that point. Reply With Quote
Oct 26, 2017 | 15:29 57 In Europe, India and other countries we are non-competitive (at this time). Anuga Food Show was an eye-opener. In prior years our salesteams came back with piles of orders. This year we have Russians trying to sell to us. As for Canaryseed profit-oh yeh big wheel, try marketing to Mexico.🍀 Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Oct 26, 2017 | 15:59 58
Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
In Europe, India and other countries we are non-competitive (at this time). Anuga Food Show was an eye-opener. In prior years our salesteams came back with piles of orders. This year we have Russians trying to sell to us. As for Canaryseed profit-oh yeh big wheel, try marketing to Mexico.🍀
For a minute there I thought the 18 cents dave4111 was talking about was the margin! ;-) Reply With Quote
Oct 26, 2017 | 17:37 59 You can't market it to Mexico on your own because the monopoly for low prices gang gets their payoff and come back to us and say. Hey that's all there is.
Lol why would anyone there pay more when the market fixers offer it there at this stupid low price.
God some people are dense.

Mexicans can pay 40 cents no problem would be a small dent in what they really pay. but it's a lot cheaper to pay a few and fix the market. I'd bet the people there have no idea they are paying what they are and we are only getting this shit price.

You can blab all you want that thats the number you got but how did the entire market get to that number is where the problem exists. Remember youre like a pee on not privy to the real deals.

Kinda like the durum thing but not I guess In that market those making money off volume elevation offer the lowest prices guess who gets the bids? Hahaha

If any of you actually think these companies here are going to bat for you holy crap you can't be that dumb!! Reply With Quote
LEP
Oct 26, 2017 | 18:35 60
Quote Originally Posted by the big wheel View Post
You can't market it to Mexico on your own because the monopoly for low prices gang gets their payoff and come back to us and say. Hey that's all there is.
Lol why would anyone there pay more when the market fixers offer it there at this stupid low price.
God some people are dense.

Mexicans can pay 40 cents no problem would be a small dent in what they really pay. but it's a lot cheaper to pay a few and fix the market. I'd bet the people there have no idea they are paying what they are and we are only getting this shit price.

You can blab all you want that thats the number you got but how did the entire market get to that number is where the problem exists. Remember youre like a pee on not privy to the real deals.

Kinda like the durum thing but not I guess In that market those making money off volume elevation offer the lowest prices guess who gets the bids? Hahaha

If any of you actually think these companies here are going to bat for you holy crap you can't be that dumb!!
Uh. Do you know how much canary Dave trades? Again you are spouting off about something you know nothing about.

Anywho, low prices suck but I doubt you pay anymore for your fert than you have to.

Mexicans won't either. Reply With Quote