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Oct 15, 2017 | 08:05 1 Why is there no such thing as a recall on farm machinery....

Fixing parts like displays and rims is getting expensive and annoying when you hear ....it's common...


Rims breaking and it just so happens deere has 20 in Regina. 3300...neither combine is over 1300 separator hours....2 rims in the last 3 years....

Touch screen quits working at only 600 hours and it's common too ....2300 to repair....but I can buy a 55 inch TV at that price.....

Dash in my 7520 mechanical only had 2300 hours on it and after replacing the alternator and belt... the display was the problem ...3500 to replace because no one could access parts on a deere propriety parts.....

This is getting old why are the farm machinery manufacturers not responsible for this....warranty or not....

They build bigger machines to put less hours on in a year and run the warranty out on time. ....
Last edited by bucket; Oct 15, 2017 at 08:11.
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Oct 15, 2017 | 08:11 2 Yea and some are real safety issues like a rim blowing on a sprayer at 30-40 mph . Or lights quitting on an agco swather at night on the road ? List could go on for hours Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 08:37 3 All the equipment fires why isn't insurance Co hollering? If it was auto industry would be recall on even potential problem.

Need a Ralph Nader of farm equip. What is all this costing farmers in insurance premiums.

Had a claim and adjuster told me what happened, what was broke and cost to repair over the phone before I had a chance to explain. Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 09:00 4 That happened to me too....the claim was denied because it was a deere issue.... Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Oct 15, 2017 | 09:08 5 I think there are two standards...one for the stuff sold to the general public and one for farming stuff sold to farmers of which is a small percentage in comparison.

Programs that are "fix as fail"...knowing there is a problem that will get a warranty repair "IF" it fails.

What picks my ass is a new item can have a list of "upgrades"....what the fuck...are farmers the field-test-dummies? Bring it to market too early and have the purchasers reveal all the bugs in it? Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 09:25 6
Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
That happened to me too....the claim was denied because it was a deere issue....
Ever hear of back axle breaking off an IHC axleflow? LoL Insurance company had. Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 09:29 7 I think people are getting fed up with replacing parts that should last the lifetime of the machine....failing after a few hundred hours..... Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 09:49 8
Quote Originally Posted by wmoebis View Post
Ever hear of back axle breaking off an IHC axleflow? LoL Insurance company had.
Axle flow a much more suiting name than Axial Flow! Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 10:01 9
Quote Originally Posted by biglentil View Post
Axle flow a much more suiting name than Axial Flow!
LOL not even going to blame spell check or auto correct. Reply With Quote
fjlip's Avatar Oct 15, 2017 | 10:29 10 I know of several 9870 combines that destroyed their rads when the engine fan bearings failed. Usually about 1200-1500 hours. Non greasing, no suggested user service.
They need checking for "play" every day. Nothing $15000-$18000 won't fix.
Deere says bearing under high load but never had an update, won't cover parts.
Insurance would only pay if the damage caused a fire, we weren't that lucky.
Deere 12.5/13.5 water pump is a disgrace, suggested replacement every 2000 hours? Many failed before Deere even said that.
Case IH 8120 combine burned lately, the over heated chopper bearing conveniently located below the fuel pump or filter. Full insurance...100% destroyed to a pile of scrap iron. Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 11:05 11 Unbelievable that Case would not put some tin shielding or some fire protection on the plastic fuel tank 3 inches away from an always chaff filled 3000 rpm chopper bearing with a hidden 2nd grease nipple. Or how bout the 1.25 inches of spline that drives the feeder house chain. Some guys have to change out twice a season for $4000 in parts. Or how bout the .70 cent 1 inch circlip that regularly fails and lets the cooling fan walk into the $6000 radiator. Then there is the rub bars placed on the rotor to run inside the transition cone. Like Hello McFly! Or the stone trap thats like having a back seat in an old Mazda RX7. So small its virtually useless.

The combine manufacturers must think we idiots. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Oct 15, 2017 | 11:23 12 Nope Biglentil. some engineers are just what I call "book smart but practically stupid". Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 11:28 13 To improve our bearing offering and quality we have released new part numbers. The new OEM part number is 84330070 which is a top quality, made in the USA bearing designed for your application. We also have 84330070GV which is our value will-fit option when low price is what you need.



This is the notice in the online parts book for my Case combine.

I had this bearing fail in my 900 hour Case combine this fall and you can see in the parts book that Case has no faith in the bearings that they put in the combine. Reply With Quote
fjlip's Avatar Oct 15, 2017 | 11:29 14 Those that run Deere 8000 and 9000 with the brilliant variable speed fan drive know how to CURSE engineers. Lucky if they last 2000 hours before failure. Non greasing but guys are drilling holes to add a nipple. Parts are stupid and no update/rebuild or admission of stupidity.... fix as fail, and that is guarenteed!
Another reason we got a Versatile, but time will tell, if I ever run it long enough. Hydraulic reversing Fan, $7000 option, same fan on a Deere grader RM bought, $25000.
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fjlip's Avatar Oct 15, 2017 | 11:30 15
Quote Originally Posted by seldomseen View Post
To improve our bearing offering and quality we have released new part numbers. The new OEM part number is 84330070 which is a top quality, made in the USA bearing designed for your application. We also have 84330070GV which is our value will-fit option when low price is what you need.



This is the notice in the online parts book for my Case combine.

I had this bearing fail in my 900 hour Case combine this fall and you can see in the parts book that Case has no faith in the bearings that they put in the combine.
Like everything we buy...made with parts from the LOWEST BIDDER. Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 12:39 16 Agree 100%

If a certain law office in Regina would like to take this on as a Class Action Lawsuit, I believe there is a case. The health safety/ personal- pubic, loss of property, collusion, etcit would take a long time but the damages to property, income, safety, etc would be very large. Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 12:55 17
Quote Originally Posted by wmoebis View Post
Ever hear of back axle breaking off an IHC axleflow? LoL Insurance company had.
Neighbour had it happen on a1688 last fall and on his 2388 this spring . Wonder what would happen if it done it on the highway and put combine in front of oncoming traffic and killed someone ??
A good way to lift the combine is a chunk of railroad tie and loader on each side Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 12:58 18
Quote Originally Posted by biglentil View Post
Unbelievable that Case would not put some tin shielding or some fire protection on the plastic fuel tank 3 inches away from an always chaff filled 3000 rpm chopper bearing with a hidden 2nd grease nipple. Or how bout the 1.25 inches of spline that drives the feeder house chain. Some guys have to change out twice a season for $4000 in parts. Or how bout the .70 cent 1 inch circlip that regularly fails and lets the cooling fan walk into the $6000 radiator. Then there is the rub bars placed on the rotor to run inside the transition cone. Like Hello McFly! Or the stone trap thats like having a back seat in an old Mazda RX7. So small its virtually useless.

The combine manufacturers must think we idiots.
Never heard of the fan clip coming off ? Is that on an iveco ? Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 13:01 19
Quote Originally Posted by fjlip View Post
I know of several 9870 combines that destroyed their rads when the engine fan bearings failed. Usually about 1200-1500 hours. Non greasing, no suggested user service.
They need checking for "play" every day. Nothing $15000-$18000 won't fix.
Deere says bearing under high load but never had an update, won't cover parts.
Insurance would only pay if the damage caused a fire, we weren't that lucky.
Deere 12.5/13.5 water pump is a disgrace, suggested replacement every 2000 hours? Many failed before Deere even said that.
Case IH 8120 combine burned lately, the over heated chopper bearing conveniently located below the fuel pump or filter. Full insurance...100% destroyed to a pile of scrap iron.
That chopper bearing was a recall on 8&9 series afx , but the pricks didn't advertise it . I would be willing to bet that the junk rubber fuel line failed on that 8120 , complete garbage Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 13:24 20 I think a farm machinery ombudsman to review major failures....and act accordingly. ..

Why did the back beater fail with a grease nipple.....because the hole to allow grease in was on the inboard side and it never received grease...caused plenty of total losses.

Why do rims fail ....too far cantilevered....


Engineered ?????

And yes I would take the job....getting sick of shoulder shrugging. ...but getting the bill...
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fjlip's Avatar Oct 15, 2017 | 13:51 21 Have any Versatile rims or drum duals failed? I am really impressed how true they are, no wobble at all, all 8 turn arrow straight. Firestone 710x42 tires straight and round also. More stories about tires I am sure....8910 cultivator 3 year Goodyear show stubble cracks between ribs already. The 20 year old 8810 left with all but 2 original tires. Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 15:11 22 Ya 13l Iveco. Keep an eye on the play. I know two guys that both had too bring a crane in to the field to lift the new rad in from the top. The bearing eventually spins on the shaft up against the little snap ring. Replace and use loctite retaining compound on the new bearings is wise.
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Oct 15, 2017 | 16:51 23
Quote Originally Posted by biglentil View Post
Ya 13l Iveco. Keep an eye on the play. I know two guys that both had too bring a crane in to the field to lift the new rad in from the top. The bearing eventually spins on the shaft up against the little snap ring. Replace and use loctite retaining compound on the new bearings is wise.
strange case had this problem on their 80 & 88 series also ? thanks sure hadn't heard of it on iveco's Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 18:45 24 We had a fuel leak on one of ours.

So the manufactures know there is a issue by the number of lines they replace in a year. It’s personal safety, down time, loss of the machine, insurance deductible/premium, fire department, loss of crop, just extreme danger.

Airline, auto industries it would be mandatory recall and fix it right.

Honestly a fuel line spraying fuel all over engine or engine compartment, come on,... Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 19:40 25
Quote Originally Posted by Rareearth View Post
We had a fuel leak on one of ours.

So the manufactures know there is a issue by the number of lines they replace in a year. It’s personal safety, down time, loss of the machine, insurance deductible/premium, fire department, loss of crop, just extreme danger.

Airline, auto industries it would be mandatory recall and fix it right.

Honestly a fuel line spraying fuel all over engine or engine compartment, come on,...
Our case 8010 did just that , lucky it was idling in yard Reply With Quote
Oct 15, 2017 | 22:22 26
Quote Originally Posted by wmoebis View Post
Ever hear of back axle breaking off an IHC axleflow? LoL Insurance company had.
I had one break in field a couple of years ago. It was big trouble trying to get that frame off the ground to install new. I think combine world carries 5 or 6 heavier built ones per season. When I drove in to pick mine up, they were loading one for another farmers wife. That has been a known weak point since the 1480s. About 35 years.
My helper this harvest is a younger city guy. He starts asking about recalls on high dollar machinery and class action lawsuits. My response was manufacturers basically dont care. You bought, you own it. Now you're farming.
I like to tell the story about a few years ago a few farmers bought 24 John Deere combines and the delivery made the tv news . 10 days later the back tires were falling off the combines in fields adjacent to the highway on a long weekend. The post delivery work had not been done and wheel bolts worked themsevles out. The timing was practically identical on the multiple units in the field.
Somedays I get kind of unmotivated driving my shrapnel, then I park it and let it depreciate for 9 months. Then I feel better. I would go totally postal if I had a hundreds of thousands of dollars power unit sitting while waiting to pay for the mother company to drive out and program a new update. Paying big money and still being a dependant. Im just not progressive. Reply With Quote
Oct 16, 2017 | 05:08 27 poor enginering is bad enough but the cheap bearing thing, is beyond beleif, or cheap chain,
20,000$rem grain vac. 1-50 chain 18 inches long,chinese junk.
would the extra 5-10$ have broke them
they all seemto find some way to screwup what would be a good product.

our only recourse we have against the bean counter that costs us 100s or 1000s $
to save them 8$ a unit.
is to point out everytime it happens.

not fixing known problems for years, you would think it was almost planned that way Reply With Quote
Oct 16, 2017 | 16:17 28
Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post

Rims breaking and it just so happens deere has 20 in Regina. 3300...neither combine is over 1300 separator hours....2 rims in the last 3 years....
Unverferth sells rims that go onto john deere combines we had one break this year and it cost about $2100 through them. Reply With Quote