How much Hp to pull a protill ?

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How much Hp to pull a protill ?

Sep 22, 2017 | 12:03 1 Amazed at the job pro-tills have been doing while driving around.

How much horse power to pull a 33' or 40'? Seems they recommend speeds faster than 10 mph.

What is the downside or limitations, from those that operate one(besides the price)?

Is there a better way to mulch and chop up cattails(besides burning, either standing or swathed)? Reply With Quote
Sep 22, 2017 | 13:06 2 I would say at least 15hp per foot Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Sep 22, 2017 | 13:20 3 Danny, a guy beside us on a half section protilled a lot of spots last fall and seeded flax into it this spring...you could basically follow the lines of where he went and the patches he did...flax didn't come up very well in those spots and ended up reseeding the whole half section....they blamed it on wire worms...I can't say, I never went to look. Reply With Quote
Sep 22, 2017 | 13:24 4 Probably need as much horsepower to scrape the topsoil out of the ditch after using a Protill. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Sep 22, 2017 | 13:32 5 I wonder if some people near Regina learned that lesson last year? Along with what completely burning all the residue off the land can do.... Reply With Quote
Sep 22, 2017 | 13:56 6 Brave, isn't that why you buy them equipped with the rubber packers rather than the open baskets? Should be a difference between the two regarding the final result, no?

furrow, your talking 500hp for the small 33' one, if 15hp/ft are required. Maybe that's why there are so many other vert till models out there, not all farms have 500-600hp. Reply With Quote
Sep 22, 2017 | 14:00 7 farma, I think many farms will learn or remember more clearly the 80's, from the trouble too much tillage caused some this spring. Only has to be really dry in the top 6", before your putting your land at risk.

re the flax, did they have the packers or baskets? Reply With Quote
Sep 22, 2017 | 14:55 8
Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
Danny, a guy beside us on a half section protilled a lot of spots last fall and seeded flax into it this spring...you could basically follow the lines of where he went and the patches he did...flax didn't come up very well in those spots and ended up reseeding the whole half section....they blamed it on wire worms...I can't say, I never went to look.
I hear you Farma. A farmer south of here deep-tilled his entire farm a few years ago. For years, the crops emerged poorly and it took a few years to recuperate. I thought it was due to the fact that it was deep gumbo and the lumps took time to melt and the seed bed firm up. Reply With Quote
Sep 22, 2017 | 14:59 9 [QUOTE=farmaholic;356411]I wonder if some people near Regina learned that lesson last year? Along with what completely burning all the residue off the land can do

One of those guys who burnt her black didn't fill a semi of lentils on a square section. But neither did his neighbour who didn't burn black, just poor emergence with NO rain. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Sep 22, 2017 | 15:38 10
Quote Originally Posted by danny W1M View Post
farma, I think many farms will learn or remember more clearly the 80's, from the trouble too much tillage caused some this spring. Only has to be really dry in the top 6", before your putting your land at risk.

re the flax, did they have the packers or baskets?
Can't say for sure Danny. Reply With Quote
Sep 22, 2017 | 15:57 11 Yup , not for everyone, or every area .
We went with the Gates coulter harrow . Needed to replace the heavy harrows and were not interested in a pro till or the joker . We just use the ole Allis tandem disc in heavy sloughs then level everything with the coulter harrow after . Seems to work for our area . Dry up the low areas and seal up the other 90% .
Again , every farm and every area is different. Reply With Quote
Sep 22, 2017 | 17:26 12 fad machines, useless in the mud. cant replace a good deep tiller, and heavy harrow Reply With Quote
fjlip's Avatar Sep 22, 2017 | 17:36 13
Quote Originally Posted by MBgrower View Post
fad machines, useless in the mud. cant replace a good deep tiller, and heavy harrow
Disks of any kind PACK wet soils, actually kills your soil, makes a compaction layer under the depth you go.
I remember tandem disks and discers...even a heavy harrow PACKS wet soil, had a wreck after a downpour one spring. WET- dry opposite problems, both makes these machines questionable. Reply With Quote
Sep 22, 2017 | 18:33 14 I know for a fact thats lots of guys lost yield big time in canola by packing the ground with these machines and also by the false sense of security that land was ready to seed The proof is everywhere you look here in the swamp this year. And it doesnt matter what make they were pulling . Burning also cost yield big time because the land dried out so bad once the rains stopped. Best results for this year was a cultivator with knives followed by a medium harrow Reply With Quote
Sep 23, 2017 | 08:39 15 following heavy rain storms you can clearly see what fields are protilled / vt'd. those fields are full of standing water, so it seems these machines do create a hard pan, compaction layer Reply With Quote
Sep 24, 2017 | 12:16 16 Danny, I can't say anything about compaction with these machines, that remains to be seen on my farm. Last year I hired a nrighbor to vertical till 480 acres for us to level out sprayer ruts more than anything. Sure as hell dried everything out! As to your horsepower question , several years ago I got a Demo Salford 4100 vertical tillage machine. It was very wet that fall , and I could only pull this 30 foot machine to 8 mph with my 330 TJ New Holland. Just bagged it. 8 mph was not fast enough for the discs to clear And mud stuck so bad that they would roll up 3 inches wide and wouldn't penetrate. My neighbour had a 550 hp Cat tracked tractor and pulled his 50 foot Salford easily to 11 mph. Mud flew off the discs great and penetrated to 4 inches deep! Reply With Quote
Sep 24, 2017 | 12:25 17 Danny, I can't say anything about compaction with these machines, that remains to be seen on my farm. Last year I hired a nrighbor to vertical till 480 acres for us to level out sprayer ruts more than anything. Sure as hell dried everything out! As to your horsepower question , several years ago I got a Demo Salford 4100 vertical tillage machine. It was very wet that fall , and I could only pull this 30 foot machine to 8 mph with my 330 TJ New Holland. Just bagged it. 8 mph was not fast enough for the discs to clear And mud stuck so bad that they would roll up 3 inches wide and wouldn't penetrate. My neighbour had a 550 hp Cat tracked tractor and pulled his 50 foot Salford easily to 11 mph. Mud flew off the discs great and penetrated to 4 inches deep! Reply With Quote
Sep 24, 2017 | 12:35 18 Have a couple of fields that are a quarter to half bull rush sloughs that have dried enough to get through with sprayer or disk.
Considering spraying to help take out green followed by burning and disking.
Depends how have much dry weather we get.
Sloughs were cropped for consecutive years in the past.
Worth the gamble? Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Sep 24, 2017 | 12:52 19 Hoppy....reclaiming sloughs can be a labour of love. You can go through a lot of work only to have them fill up again with run-off. If the trend is dry it might be worth the effort. Assess the chance of them filling by how big an area runs off into them

Willows can seemingly show up from no where in haysloughs that had been cut for decades.

Tough call. Good luck. Reply With Quote