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Jun 12, 2017 | 05:36 1 Quite the difference now .. seeded same day ...
45CS40 with Horsch planter at 2 lbs

45CS40 with Bourgault drill at 4.7 lbs

Granted our Bourgault is not a paralink though . Reply With Quote
blackpowder's Avatar Jun 12, 2017 | 06:10 2 There is no doubt. Planters are the future. Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 06:36 3 Thanks for the pictures. Confirms the conclusion I came to last night. One neighbor calls abd I go look at his canola with him. Everywhere the tractor, cart and anhydrous tank went nice germ can see the rows perfectly. Everywhere else not so good. He rolls his canola after he seeds and uses a flexi 5000 with Dutch low draft 3.5 inch spread. Second neighbor talked to him a few days ago. Flexi 3 compartment tank same opener. Puts canola in one tank, 11-52 in one tank, urea-potash-sulfur blend in other. Puts 11-52 with seed and blend in single row between the split seed rows. Pissed right off at how poorly his canola is coming up. Anyway long story short, my thought last night was we would be farther ahead to buy a planter between the 3 of us just for canola. Your pictures tell the tale. Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 06:40 4 furrow , don't know anything about them , are they really expensive ? work for all crops ? Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 06:42 5 nice crops ! Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 06:45 6 I am just relieved it turned out . We were nervous to do a 1000 ac test so to speak.
This is the wheat stubble today ..
And again side by side with our Bourgault
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Jun 12, 2017 | 06:49 7 Two ways to look at expensive...
ya they are not cheap , $300,000 plus
But they can do 35-40ac / hr . And do it right .
So a 75-80 ft drill would be about $600,000 to $700,000 now ?
About the same efficiency as far as ac / hr
Just got to think a little different on fertility Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 07:09 8 Furrow can you apply all your fertilizer and seed all in one pass? With most corn planters you have to make a separate pass to band on fertilizer. Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 07:34 9 I streamed on the N with sprayer before seeding . And applied the S with the round up in pre burn .
This planter has 800 gal phos tank on board to get phos in seed row just below seed Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 07:35 10 We used it for soybeans, canola and corn
15 in space on the beans and canola
30 in space for the corn Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 07:46 11 Furrow, what tractor do you use on that drill? JD planters need nothing short of a super tractor (weight, power, hyd capacity) on the front of their drills. Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 08:00 12 Very even emergence compared to your drill. It would be interesting to see a side by side trial with a seedmaster or equivalent type of drill. My neighbor has a seedmaster which produces very evenly emerged crops,but only seeding at 4 mph. Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Jun 12, 2017 | 08:03 13 And to think I'm satisfied with mine under the circumstances, those pictures make mine look like a joke.


Impressive! Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 10:01 14 Really only proves how crappy your Bourgault is. Lots of drills can seed just as nice as that planter. A 15" row spacing in lots of trials has shown reduced yield to narrower so you are already behind. For example winter wheat:

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Even corn on 12 inch spacing with up to 100,000 seeds per acre shows much higher yields, they are just harder to harvest with existing row spaced eq.

They originally were 40 inch spacing because that was the width of a horse, then 30 because that would accommodate most tractor tires. But most progressive farmers and researchers know that narrow spacing is the key to better yields.

So maybe don't get trapped in the past with your thinking.
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Jun 12, 2017 | 10:55 15 Thank goodness for farmer experimenters. Nothing much comes out of the paid "researchers", but the farm workshop has been the mother of AG invention. Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 11:43 16 how is it for going through mud or wet spots? Reply With Quote
farmaholic's Avatar Jun 12, 2017 | 12:28 17 Someone please call a whambulance for me.....

My piece of shit paralink and crap Rogator make a shitty job of getting a crop established. Have to start looking for some better performing iron. Good thing Farm Progress show is.this month.
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Jun 12, 2017 | 12:55 18 Lol. Tweety. Your ignorance glows off the page lol Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 13:07 19 Tweety, as far as row spacing for canola I would disagree with you on narrower is always better. Canola would in my opinion benefit from wider row spacing due to a better aerated canopy. Very interested in what you have for a drill. In my experience neighbor with 5710 and 5810 bourgault drill have good germ. In my own case I have used both a flexi oil 5000 with 3.5 inch Dutch low draft and my present drill with atom jet sideband. I experienced no loss of yield going from twin row Dutch to single row both on 10 inch spacing in cereals. In Canola I would say on average I experienced a slight yield improvement with the atom jet over the Dutch low draft but no testing to back that up. More consistent germ for sure. It would be interesting to hear from seedmaster owners with a ultra pro canola meter. Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 13:08 20 t
Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
Really only proves how crappy your Bourgault is. Lots of drills can seed just as nice as that planter. A 15" row spacing in lots of trials has shown reduced yield to narrower so you are already behind. For example winter wheat:

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Even corn on 12 inch spacing with up to 100,000 seeds per acre shows much higher yields, they are just harder to harvest with existing row spaced eq.

They originally were 40 inch spacing because that was the width of a horse, then 30 because that would accommodate most tractor tires. But most progressive farmers and researchers know that narrow spacing is the key to better yields.

So maybe don't get trapped in the past with your thinking.
you are a piece of work ?
curious , what's your seeding unit of choice ? Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 13:09 21
Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
Someone please call a whambulance for me.....

My piece of shit paralink and crap Rogator make a shitty job of getting a crop established. Have to start looking for some better performing iron. Good thing Farm Progress show is.this month.
I love my rogator, lol Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 13:17 22 Braveheart
We used a fwa JD 8310 R Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 13:24 23 I've been reading a lot of research and experiences of farmers in the US with seeding corn at 15" versus 30" and getting better yields. Makes sense to me as 12" by 15" is better spacing than 6" by 30" in terms of equal room to grow. Had our corn custom seeded with a planter in 30" rows this year but wish i'd read the research earlier - especially as ours will be grazed so corn headers aren't an issue.
I'd love to be able to seed corn on 30" rows and seed hairy vetch down the middle but I guess the planter that did ours wasn't designed to do that? Reply With Quote
Klause's Avatar Jun 12, 2017 | 13:29 24 Grass there's a guy down by pilot mound with a great plains twin row machine... He can actually plant cover crops along with double corn rows. Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 14:56 25 hey farma most guys here in oz love rogators almost deemed to be the rolls Royce of sprayers.
ps I don't own one never been in one Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 15:05 26 Sounds like what i'm after Klause, i'll have to investigate. thanks. Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 15:10 27 “What we found was that yield declined linearly when you went from nine-inch row spacing to 24-inch row spacing. Even under optimum conditions of good soil fertility, very good weed management, sometimes even hand weeding of plots, good flea beetle control and little disease pressure, we saw declining yields with wider row spacing,” says Randy Kutcher, with AAFC at Melfort, Sask., when he conducted the trials (Kutcher is now with the Crop Development Centre at the University of Saskatchewan). Declining yields were especially the case with the 18- and 24-inch row spacing. Differences between the nine- and 12-inch row spacings were more limited.

If you do careful measurements and follow a good fair protocol, its consistent. Or you can believe a "feeling", then row space doesn't matter.

https://www.topcropmanager.com/corn/...la-yield-16259

So as usual, get called a troll. Show some peer reviewed science where row spacing doesn't affect yield, where yield improves with a corn planter....

Why not just get one of these ordered https://www.realagriculture.com/2017...rs-a-new-look/ Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 15:35 28 Tweety you just don't get it...it isn't the info you present, that is fine.....it is the ignorant, unnecessary jabs you make....you must be an interesting neighbor if you farm. Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 15:36 29 We are talking canola , not wheat .
No one in there right mind would use 15 in space around here in wheat , let alone a planter Reply With Quote
Jun 12, 2017 | 15:38 30 12 in spacing in corn would never get a mature cob in this part of the world .
Is all that research you quoted from north west Sask ?? Reply With Quote