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Exxon and Peabody Energy in lawsuit

Mar 1, 2017 | 23:05 1 New York attorney general is launching a lawsuit (much like the one against big tobacco,a few years ago)

Exxon is accused of knowing about global warming implications since the 1970's and instead of telling shareholders they kept them in the dark. They then went on to spend millions starting phony Science groups to Mislead the public that the Science was Unsettled.

Could get interesting as Rex Tillerson the previous Exxon CEO is now in Trump cabinet

Watched on HBO Vice (investigative journalism) ,very interesting ,some of you should take note
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Mar 2, 2017 | 09:04 2 “This lawsuit is based on discredited and inaccurate claims by activists about Exxon Mobil’s nearly 40-year history of support for climate research that was conducted publicly in conjunction with the Department of Energy, academics and the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,” Spitler told The Huffington Post in an email. “To suggest that we had reached definitive conclusions, decades before the world’s experts and while climate science was in an early stage of development, is not credible.”

Reports last year by InsideClimate News and the Los Angeles Times found Exxon executives were aware of the climate risks associated with carbon dioxide emissions in the 1980s, but funded research to cover up those risks and block solutions. In a more recent investigation, the Washington-based Center for International Environmental Law uncovered documents that show the oil industry, including Humble Oil (now Exxon Mobil), was on notice about the potential role of fossil fuels in CO2 emissions no later than 1957 and was “shaping science to shape public opinion” even earlier, in the 1940s.

Though the lawsuit accuses Exxon Mobil of failing to fortify its facility in Everett, oil companies, including Exxon Mobil, have redesigned oil and gas rigs in the face of climate change.

As early as the 1980s, oil companies were beginning to invest in taller oil rigs that could withstand rising sea levels and the impacts of hurricanes, documents uncovered in the Center for International Environmental Law investigation show. Carroll Muffett, the center’s president, called it “an example of the profound distinction of how these companies were protecting their own interests” and not the public’s. Reply With Quote
Mar 2, 2017 | 10:24 3 Preconceived conclusions. Now Exxon is supposed to support your garbage science too? Reply With Quote
Mar 2, 2017 | 11:02 4
Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
Preconceived conclusions. Now Exxon is supposed to support your garbage science too?
You might want to go to the Exxon Mobil website where they actually state their position on climate change: http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/c...s/our-position

That web page states:

Our Position on Climate Change

We have the same concerns as people everywhere – and that is how to provide the world with the energy it needs while reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

The risk of climate change is clear and the risk warrants action. Increasing carbon emissions in the atmosphere are having a warming effect. There is a broad scientific and policy consensus that action must be taken to further quantify and assess the risks.

ExxonMobil is taking action by reducing greenhouse gas emissions in its operations, helping consumers reduce their emissions, supporting research that leads to technology breakthroughs and participating in constructive dialogue on policy options.

Addressing climate change, providing economic opportunity and lifting billions out of poverty are complex and interrelated issues requiring complex solutions. There is a consensus that comprehensive strategies are needed to respond to these risks.

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Mar 2, 2017 | 11:21 5




Sumdum you might even be interested in watching this 27 second youtube video of Suncor president and CEO stating Suncor's position. It is entitled Climate change is real. So now what? Reply With Quote
Mar 2, 2017 | 11:34 6 Lol, that's too funny! Now the lemmings ( manmade climate alarmists ) believe every word that big oil says, in the past they were all liars only after their own benefit. Too funny! Reply With Quote
Mar 2, 2017 | 12:31 7
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Lol, that's too funny! Now the lemmings ( manmade climate alarmists ) believe every word that big oil says, in the past they were all liars only after their own benefit. Too funny!
I actually feel sorry for you stonepicker. What a sad, sad world you live in. In your world most scientists lie, oil company CEOs lie, anyone believing in climate change is nothing more than a lemming. It must be really tough living in a world where if someone does not agree with you they must be wrong and you are always right. Reply With Quote
fjlip's Avatar Mar 2, 2017 | 12:44 8
Quote Originally Posted by dmlfarmer View Post
I actually feel sorry for you stonepicker. What a sad, sad world you live in. In your world most scientists lie, oil company CEOs lie, anyone believing in climate change is nothing more than a lemming. It must be really tough living in a world where if someone does not agree with you they must be wrong and you are always right.
You say the same thing, you are always right... Saddest world would be TOO COLD to live in, warmer = green/life. COLDER= death of everything, I choose life! Reply With Quote
Mar 2, 2017 | 12:56 9
Quote Originally Posted by stonepicker View Post
Lol, that's too funny! Now the lemmings ( manmade climate alarmists ) believe every word that big oil says, in the past they were all liars only after their own benefit. Too funny!
yea agreed they're a bunch of Hippocrates
only one line of thinking , theirs
if you don't buy the lie , shut the f$&k up Reply With Quote
blackpowder's Avatar Mar 2, 2017 | 13:08 10 So now oil is the new tobacco.
How nice. Only this time its a worldwide economic addiction that has immeasurably benefited the race. With also difficult to measure and glacially (pun intended) slow side effects.

How about we hang every third lawyer????? Reply With Quote
Mar 2, 2017 | 13:37 11 Never once have I claimed to always be right. I am more than willing to listen to arguments on both sides of any issue. I have sat in on Tim Balls' talks. I have looked at and agree there are natural, and cosmic disrupters of climate change. That climate has continually changed. But I have also looked at a lot of peer reviewed science and agree that man is having an impact on climate outside the bounds of natural forces.

We can measure how much greenhouse gasses are expelled by volcano (200 million tonnes annually). We can also estimate the greenhouse gases produced by man. (24 billion tonnes from auto/industry annually) These are published numbers. (Scientific American) Yet still people on this site falsely claim that volcanos put out more greenhouses gases than man. Totally false. Yet the same people spreading such falsehoods claim that climate change is the lie.

Fjlip, warmer may mean greener here, but we are a tiny speck on the globe. Travel to the Gobi desert in China, or the Sahara, or even the Australian outback and you will see for yourself expansion of the deserts. The glaciers that feed the major rivers and ag irrigation around the world are melting at ever increasing rates. Even here, in western Canada, take a helicopter ride or light plane flight over BC and Alberta boreal forests and you will see mile after mile of dead trees because winters are no longer cold enough to kill the pine beetles.

If you have proof that man is having no effect on the climate, present it rather than just calling people - including scientiests and even oil company executives -who have come to the conclusion that man does impact the environment liars.
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Mar 2, 2017 | 13:57 12 And it Should go without saying, if your OK with climate change. (or deny it altogether)

Then you must be OK with millions of Displaced people and increased refugees that we will have to take in

Due to severe drought in some areas and severe flooding in others.
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Mar 2, 2017 | 16:03 13 Well said dlmfarmer and mustardman,well said Reply With Quote
Mar 2, 2017 | 16:41 14
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And it Should go without saying, if your OK with climate change. (or deny it altogether)

Then you must be OK with millions of Displaced people and increased refugees that we will have to take in

Due to severe drought in some areas and severe flooding in others.
Severe droughts are nothing new in many parts of the world. Every weather event that happens is somehow our fault. I call BS, Reply With Quote
Mar 2, 2017 | 17:23 15 man in the dirty 30s they sure must have used a lot of fossil fuels! lol Reply With Quote
Mar 2, 2017 | 20:41 16
Quote Originally Posted by dmlfarmer View Post
I actually feel sorry for you stonepicker. What a sad, sad world you live in. In your world most scientists lie, oil company CEOs lie, anyone believing in climate change is nothing more than a lemming. It must be really tough living in a world where if someone does not agree with you they must be wrong and you are always right.
Same old thing, putting words in other people's mouths. I believe 100% in climate change ( always has always will ) i DON'T believe in manmade climate change. It's been proven that the scientists fudged on the data ( climate gate ) Science has always been questioned, as it should be, how else does the world find better ways? And now to throw out everything that's driven climate change as long as this earth has been here and make the ludicrous claim that itty bitty co2 is the main driver of climate change? It takes a fool to believe that! As far as refugees, what creates the majority of refugees in the world? drought floods and famine? or wars and political strife? I'll put my money on the latter. Oh ya almost forgot, i was wrong once, there was one time when i thought i was wrong, but it turned out i wasn't. Reply With Quote
Mar 3, 2017 | 00:07 17 Wow, after 9 independent inquiries by various governments and universities into the leaked "climategate" emails found no fraud, misrepresentation or conspiracy about climate change there is still someone claiming that those emails prove climate change is a hoax. Reply With Quote
Mar 3, 2017 | 08:14 18 stonepicker there will be Wars over water in places like Africa brought on by changing climate.

Well expect to see you welcoming the refugees with open arms Reply With Quote
Mar 3, 2017 | 09:01 19 6 months ago climate change was blamed for a dry 5 year period in California. North America was doomed , we would have to import most of out fruits and veggies from far away lands forever.
Well the rains returned , as they have over the many many decades before.
There is tree ring evidence of super droughts lasting hundreds of years from the SW states - long before fossil fuels . Reply With Quote