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    #76
    Originally posted by burnt View Post
    Well folks, Pay attention to the two previous posts, by Hamloc and Oneoff - they expose the heart of the Liberal talking points.

    If their questions remain unanswered, completely and satisfactorily, it will show that the entire "progressive" stance of, and response to the AGW hypothesis is a charade.

    Which we already know it is, but it will be fun to watch the "useful idiots" bury themselves.

    Answer the questions that you invited, boys.
    Very solid questions by Hamloc and Oneoff.
    It will tell us a lot if these important questions go unanswered.

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      #77
      Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
      Surely someone has done a economic study on the impact of a carbon tax, as 9 provinces already have agreed to one.

      Since oil and gas prices were already much higher than they are now we should have a pretty good idea what the impact on the economy is of increasing energy costs.

      Only the USA out of 195 countries has said they will pull out of the Paris agreement to try to keep global temperatures from rising 2 degrees above pre industrial levels. The only other countries not signatories to Paris were Syria and Nicaragua.

      Many USA states are acting on their own to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

      There are leaders and laggards in the world. Norway is also a northern oil producing nation and has aggressively invested in reducing greenhouse gases. Canada is a laggard by comparison.

      There is a cost to not doing anything. One of the costs will be being left behind in the innovation and development of new technology.

      Some of you seem to think that there is going to be less economic activity if we reduce greenhouse gasses and adopt increases in efficiency and new technology. I think you are wrong.

      It is going to be a transition over many decades, not an abrupt change.

      There will be jobs created in new technology that will replace old jobs.

      Suncor is killing 400 jobs to increase efficiency with the adoption of driver less trucks in the oil sands.

      Farmers have been cutting jobs for decades as well.

      So we cant rely on the extractive industries to maintain all their jobs.

      New technology is replacing them. Are farmers opposed to new technology and increasing efficiency?

      It doesn't seem like it.
      Just cut out the bull$#!? and answer the questions.

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        #78
        I'm really ticked with Prime Minister Sock Boy's invention of the word " #peoplekind " - he blew Don Cherry's "****aloos" right out the door!

        ****aloo: A person who believes in man made climate change (Al Gore green scam!) as opposed to natural climate conditions based on the earth's natural processes that have been going on since the beginning of time.

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          #79
          Here are some of the economic assumptions that are being used on the economic impact of carbon pricing.

          Economic analysis of the Pan-Canadian Framework

          https://www.canada.ca/en/services/environment/weather/climatechange/climate-action/economic-analysis.html

          http://climatechange.gc.ca/Content/6/4/7/64778DD5-E2D9-4930-BE59-D6DB7DB5CBC0/WG_Report_Carbon%20Pricing_e_v4.pdf
          4.2.3

          Estimated Economic Impacts
          Fully assessing the economic impacts of carbon pricing is complicated. In addition to estimating the costs that pricing will impose on various parts of the economy, it is important to account for the benefits of reducing GHG emissions (including the avoided costs of climate change), certainty of cost of emission for businesses planning investment, long-term financial benefits of transitioning to a cleaner economy, and the potential benefits that mayflow from innovations driven by carbon pricing.
          Any assessment of the economic impacts of carbon pricing also needs to account for the uncertainties inherent in future economic projections and modelling. Model-based estimates depend on a wide range of assumptions, including a projection of the future economy. Thus, to the extent that underlying assumptions are uncertain or future economic performance differs from the projections embedded in the models used by the working group, the actual economic impacts of carbon pricing will differ from the estimated impacts presented in this section. In particular, while the economic growth projections in the working group’s modelling are consistent with the integrated energy, emissions and economic baseline in Canada’s Second Biennial Report on Climate Change, different economic assumptions, when projected out to 2030, can result in level values having significant variation (as shown by the range of Canada’s projected emissions profile in Figure 1).
          Each of the modelled scenarios outlined in this section projects that real GDP will continue to grow over the projection period, albeit at a slower pace than in the absence of carbon pricing. While GDP (in $2011) rises to about $2.6 trillion in 2030 in the baseline, the model estimates that carbon pricing could reduce that by about $7 billion (at $30/tonne) to about $24 billion (at $90 per tonne). This translates into the average yearly growth rate between 2018 and 2030 slowing by 0.02, 0.03 and 0.08 per cent respectively for the different price scenarios. These estimated impacts are below the average revision to GDP growth year over year or the potential effect of fluctuations in world oil prices. Furthermore, these impacts are small compared to the alternative economic assumptions consistent with the high and low emissions scenarios from Figure 1 (where GDP ranges from $2.4 to $2.9 trillion).
          Actual economic impacts will be sensitive to the design of the policy. For example, impacts will vary depending on how revenues are recycled. The illustrative carbon pricing scenarios described above assume that revenues are recycled to the household as lump-sum transfers in the jurisdiction where the revenues were collected. If revenues were instead recycled such that 1/3 are used to reduce labour taxes, 1/3 are used to reduce capital taxes and the remaining 1/3 are transferred to households, real GDP impacts from the 30/90 scenario would fall from $24 billion to $17 billion in 2030.
          The estimated economic impacts do not take into account the benefits that will result from clean growth policies, including through investments in infrastructure and the development of new green technology sectors. As well, carbon pricing will provide business certainty and help create and attract investment opportunities in Canada and enable export growth of clean tech and services solutions. These positive impacts are not addressed in our models, but can be expected to sustain growth.
          Finally, these estimates do not consider the cost of global inaction on climate change. The National Roundtable of Energy and the Environment in its 2011 “Paying the Price” report 17
          found that global failure to address climate change could have significant economic impacts for Canada. Its analysis showed that impacts “could range from $21 billion to $43 billion per year by 2050, equivalent to 0.8% to 1% of GDP, depending upon what future global emissions occur and how Canada grows in the meantime.” Economic impacts will likely differ across regions just as differences in the economic structure of jurisdictions led to emissions impacts differing across jurisdictions. Jurisdictions with a relatively large amount of emissions-intensive industries or relatively emission-intensive household sectors will tend to have relatively larger economic impacts than other jurisdictions or ones that already have carbon pricing systems in place.
          17 For more information, see: http://nrt-trn.ca/climate/climate-prosperity/the-economic-impacts-of-climate-change-for-canada

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            #80
            Chuck, I attempted to read your cut and paste, but it lost all credibility within the first paragraph including the avoided costs of climate change

            See this interactive website from Stanford University about the economic impacts of climate change: https://web.stanford.edu/~mburke/climate/map.php https://web.stanford.edu/~mburke/climate/map.php

            Canada's GDP stands to grow by 247% by 2100 under current climate models.

            Even the most ardent adherents of Carbon Dioxide Taxes admit that the potential impacts on climate are less than negligible on any measurable time line. yet they have the audacity to claim that avoided costs of climate change will offset the costs of a carbon dioxide tax?

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              #81
              Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
              Chuck, I attempted to read your cut and paste, but it lost all credibility within the first paragraph including the avoided costs of climate change

              See this interactive website from Stanford University about the economic impacts of climate change: https://web.stanford.edu/~mburke/climate/map.php https://web.stanford.edu/~mburke/climate/map.php

              Canada's GDP stands to grow by 247% by 2100 under current climate models.

              Even the most ardent adherents of Carbon Dioxide Taxes admit that the potential impacts on climate are less than negligible on any measurable time line. yet they have the audacity to claim that avoided costs of climate change will offset the costs of a carbon dioxide tax?
              So you think there is no cost from numerous flooded coastal cities, more extreme weather events, extended droughts, millions of refugees, etc?

              The Pentagon has released a document outlining the risk of climate change and the negative impacts on the US military around the world. The pentagon! (here is a clue) they are not socialist!

              Have you got your head in the sand?

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                #82
                For you chuck .... before fossil fuels .


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                  #83
                  Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                  So you think there is no cost from numerous flooded coastal cities, more extreme weather events, extended droughts, millions of refugees, etc?

                  The Pentagon has released a document outlining the risk of climate change and the negative impacts on the US military around the world. The pentagon! (here is a clue) they are not socialist!

                  Have you got your head in the sand?
                  Chucky, please point out which coastal cities have been flooded. And also, keep in mind that many of us have family or acquaintances who live in coastal cities and have first-hand reports on said flooding.

                  And please provide concrete documentation that proves the existence of the "millions of refugees" that are the verifiable result of actual anthropogenic climate change.

                  Or, you wouldn't just be blowing smoke again, would you chucky?

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                    #84
                    Wow all those horrific DROUGHTS caused by next to NO POPULATION and ZERO fossil fuels burned! And why? because mankind, sorry for LIBERALS, "peoplekind" DOES NOT MAKE THE EARTH WARMER! HA HA more HOT BS...

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                      #85
                      Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                      So you think there is no cost from numerous flooded coastal cities, more extreme weather events, extended droughts, millions of refugees, etc?

                      The Pentagon has released a document outlining the risk of climate change and the negative impacts on the US military around the world. The pentagon! (here is a clue) they are not socialist!

                      Have you got your head in the sand?
                      I think you completely missed the context of your article from which I quoted. The premise being that the cost to the Canadian economy of the Carbon tax payed by Canadians would be offset by less economic damage due to climate change. I then posted a link from Stanford University predicting that Canada's economy stands to benefit massively from climate change. So by mitigating future climate change, we are actually lowering our own future economic ability to pay for said CO2 tax.

                      This context isn't about worldwide impacts, the article was about the effect on Canada's economy.

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                        #86
                        What percent of the millions of refugees are a direct result of religious or resource wars and misguided governments? I don’t know exactly but my guess is by far the majority and has been that way for 2000 plus years .
                        Climate has played a role , always has .
                        One always sees the “cost” of natural disasters being more all the time . Well .... the cost of housing and property has gone up dramatically over the past 50 years so..... it is what it is

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                          #87
                          Are Canadian snowbirds who go south every winter Considered to be climate refugees Or just smarter than the rest of us who stay behind in this cold ? Has it ever occurred to any of these people that There will be climate refugees from cooling trend as well.

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                            #88
                            Pentagon survey details effects of climate change on military sites

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pentagon-survey-details-effects-of-climate-change-on-military-sites/2018/01/29/42a40438-02e1-11e8-9d31-d72cf78dbeee_story.html?utm_term=.1b519ae3610e

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                              #89
                              Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                              Pentagon survey details effects of climate change on military sites

                              https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pentagon-survey-details-effects-of-climate-change-on-military-sites/2018/01/29/42a40438-02e1-11e8-9d31-d72cf78dbeee_story.html?utm_term=.1b519ae3610e
                              Are you familiar with the computing acronym GIGO? Garbage In = Garbage Out? All of these projections are based on the same flawed and fraudulent climate models which are now so far removed from measured temperatures to be completely irrelevant. But if you input garbage temperature projections into an economic or military model, you will get equivalent garbage data out of it. This report is no more evidence of catastrophic global warming and its consequences, than the snow storm on the east coast was.

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                                #90
                                Forget about Chuck - he is mentally dysfunctional - Big snow storm heading for Calgary and southern Alberta.

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