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    Where does electrical power really come from? ONTARIO

    This from the ieso.ca site showing even "live" 5 minute costs, generating capacity etc in Ontario


    Saturday, December 23, 2017
    Demand
    Hourly Ontario Demand
    at 7:00 a.m. EST
    15,210 MW
    Projected Demand
    at 8:00 a.m. EST
    16,322 MW
    Today's Projected Peak
    at 5:00 p.m. EST
    18,710 MW
    Supply
    Hourly Output by Fuel Type (Transmission-Connected)
    at 6:00 a.m. EST
    Nuclear
    11,132 MW
    Wind
    248 MW
    Hydro
    3,676 MW
    Solar
    0 MW
    Gas
    549 MW
    Biofuel
    30 MW
    Hourly Imports
    1,614 MW
    Hourly Exports
    2,744 MW
    Generator Availability at Peak
    at 5:00 p.m. EST
    27,256 MW
    Price
    Hourly Ontario Price
    at 7:00 a.m. EST
    0.29 ¢/kWh
    Average Weighted Price (December)
    month-to-date
    1.78 ¢/kWh
    Global Adjustment 1st Estimate (November)
    8.39 ¢/kWh

    #2
    Apparently sun's not yet up in Ontario.

    My theory is that solar panels might as well be shut down in all of December and January. We'll see what real data should lead us to believe.

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      #3
      There are periods of time in a day that utilities could get power for next to nothing (eg. a third of a cent per Kwh)

      Get charging those new batteries eh.

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        #4
        Here's an even better data source for Ontario generating capacity and output of each potential electrical source

        http://www.ieso.ca/en/power-data/data-directory

        You'll see yesterday that not one solar site in Ontario had produced even one sixth of its generating capacity (even during its best hour during the day) and that not one site produced any usable power during two thirds of the day.

        Thats the definition of "dismal".

        one sixth times one third equals next to nothing.


        Put few eggs in that basket

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          #5
          While outside turning grain yesterday....I noticed how low the sun was in the sky, during the time of year with the shortest daytime hours .....although solar power generation was the furthest thing from my mind.

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            #6
            New solar farm just opened in Brooks. 17 MW cost $30 million of which the Alberta government payed half. Deal was made by the former Conservative government. What is interesting is that in this case the cost per installed watt net to the company after subsidy is 88 cents per watt. At this price and at today's mandated by government max price of 6.8 cents per kilowatt this installation could be payed off in just under 10 years. At present after government subsidy for me to install a grid tie ground mount system on my farm it cost $2.60 an installed watt so solar power installation prices have to drop by 65% before they make sense on the farm. At the present price of $2.60 an installed watt it would take almost 30 years to pay off at today's power prices.

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              #7
              Does anyone here on Agriville use solar for their house or yard?

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                #8
                snowmobile shack works good. but if you spend to much time solving world problems in there it may go dark lol.

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                  #9
                  and then we use a gasoline backup generator.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by oneoff View Post
                    There are periods of time in a day that utilities could get power for next to nothing (eg. a third of a cent per Kwh)

                    Get charging those new batteries eh.
                    They’ve been stalling a big pumped storage project for years here that would do just that. The only thing proposed that makes any kind of sense and it’s about the only thing they don’t approve

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                      #11
                      I like the fact that the value of power produced is 1/5 of the global adjustment factor. It would be funny if it was not so serious. The American that you pay to take power must be laughing at how stupid Canuckistanians are.

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                        #12
                        Just found out what that 8.39 cent Global Adjustment charge is....mentioned in first quoted post


                        Its an extra 8.39 cent (November estimate) to cover all sorts of Ontario Hydro costs.

                        Hidden in residential kwh billing; but listed separate for bigger customers.

                        Its to cover huge losses on export sales of electricity to USA who of course only pay fair market value. But guaranteed electrical production contracts; payments for contracted but unwanted or not usable idled contracted generation have to be paid and recovered by such means. In short it can and does cover whatever programs management says it will cover. Even energy conservation initiatives that ARE OXYMORONS AT BEST

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                          #13
                          What consumer fee does Alberta use to cover the cost of shutting down its coal fired power plants?????

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                            #14
                            Oneoff, the companies will be compensated over 14 years for shuttering their coal plants early and the compensation will come from the carbon tax on industrial emitters. While consumers pay a carbon tax on natural gas, propane, diesel and gas, industrial emitters pay a separate additional carbon tax. The left loves taxes!

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                              #15
                              What about the possibility that consumers pay for their electrical utility's decisions through their regular electrical billing


                              AND the carbon tax is just an additional tax grab that will apply in all provinces (including Sask for that matter)

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